Sit Down Shut Up Mark Out Ep. 109
Professional wrestling has always inspired passionate debate, but modern wrestling fandom often feels less like discussion and more like ideological warfare. On the latest episode of Sit Down Shut Up Mark Out, Blade Daily is joined by Books and Bodyslams and Jeff from Swered Universe Podcast to unpack the politics of being a pro wrestling fan. Why do some fans defend promotions no matter what while others seem emotionally invested in seeing companies fail? Why are ratings, ticket sales, TV deals, and attendance figures discussed with the intensity of election polling? And has the rise of social media transformed wrestling discourse into something more hostile, performative, and combative than ever before? The crew explores the roots of tribalism in the IWC, the culture of anti-fandom, and the increasingly blurred line between discussing wrestling and arguing about brand loyalty.
The episode also examines whether wrestling fans themselves are hurting the business they claim to love. Are AEW and WWE fans truly as toxic as they’re accused of being, or are the loudest voices online simply dominating the conversation? From wrestling history and classic territorial rivalries to modern stan culture and doom posting, the discussion pulls from every era of fandom to understand why wrestling inspires such deeply emotional reactions. Plus, Books and Bodyslams shares stories and observations from attending AEW Dynamite live this week, offering perspective on how different the live crowd experience can feel compared to the nonstop online discourse.
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Sickos Club.
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Sickos Club.
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Hey, come here.
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You like pro wrestling?
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We got a little sum-sum for ya.
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Two fans, three thousand miles away.
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We've each been watching for more than 30 years.
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Celebrate the art form.
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The homoeroticism.
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We hate great magic.
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We hate analyzing stories.
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We hate experts.
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We just sit down, shut up, and mark.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to another edition of Sit Down, Shut Up, Markow.
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Tom Blade Daily.
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And once again, I am joined by the returning books and body slams.
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I'm joined by Jeff from Skewered Universe podcast because this is a very special panel discussion.
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And we will get into what this panel is paneling about in just a minute.
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But Jeff.
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Yeah.
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You're from the Skewered Universe podcast.
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You're a Sickos Club member.
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You card-carrying member.
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You don't have the card right now.
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It's in the mail.
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But you've had a lot of Sit Down, Shut Up, Markout personalities.
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People who've been on this show on your show, correct?
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Yeah, I have.
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Antoine being one of them.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Who is fantastic.
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Pippin has been on.
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Kurt Jangle.
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Yeah, Kurt Jangle.
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The legendary boys of the generation Kurt Jangle.
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Did Brett have a character on SD Sumo?
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I don't remember.
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There's been so many episodes, I can't keep track of who all was on.
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Is who?
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Brett.
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Oh, Brett, yeah.
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Brett's definitely been on.
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Antoine, Kurt Jangle, Pippin.
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Miss Fitmas.
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That's right.
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If I don't have the list up.
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So many.
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Exactly.
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That's not me saying any one of them was less than the other because they were all fantastic.
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He remembered the most recent one and then struggled to go further back.
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That's what people our age do.
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Books, you're back.
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And it's nice to have you.
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It's really nice to have you.
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I think you're only saying that because I'm going to be nice to you today.
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Well, we're going to be talking about your live attendance at AEW Dynamite.
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Yes.
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And we're going to focus on a really important topic.
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Really interesting topic.
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The politics of pro wrestling fandom.
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But first books.
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I understand you have something you want to say to me, right?
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Yes, I know.
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I'm already regretting this.
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Why?
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Because.
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No, go ahead.
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Fine.
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I don't even know what it is.
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Just say it.
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Listen, you know, I've given this Don Callis a lot of shit for how he's treated when Kenny Omega, but not that I love Don Callis.
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I still hate Don Callis and fuck Don Callis for life, but I'm starting to understand his motives more.
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Here I am running the Church of Kenny Omega, preaching the good word.
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And this man has not shown up to North Carolina in like three years.
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I have not seen Kenny Omega live since Grand Slam 2021 because he's either been suspended or injured.
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And now he just is like, you know what?
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I use North Carolina in my intro for years because I love Michael Jordan and the Tar Heels.
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But fuck that state.
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Fuck showing up.
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I'm grateful.
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I'm grateful.
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So you know what, Blade?
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You were right.
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Don Callis is.
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Might be justified in his actions.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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There we go.
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Uncle Don, you owe me.
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I'm turning people around.
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No, no, no.
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I don't support Don Callis.
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I just understand his motives more.
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Oh, no.
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No one supports Don Callis.
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Okay, I don't support Don Callis.
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I fear Don Callis and I do with his bidding.
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That's that's kind of the way Don Callis works.
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Like, for instance, everybody in the Don Callis family has their own agenda.
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Like, I want to be the champion.
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I want to be Mark Davis, whatever.
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And then when Don Callis has his own agenda, which is like, I just want these fucking marks to make me a bunch of money.
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You know what I mean?
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And that seems to be the only thing that actually ever happens in the Don Callis family is he makes a lot of money.
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And they all just do what he tells them to do.
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Welcome to the Don Callis family.
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No, no, no.
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You can call Uncle Don if you want.
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No, I still run the Church of Kenny Omega.
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I will still say fuck Don Callis.
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I just understand his motives.
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And Kenny better show up before I completely turn.
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Do you see how much merch is behind me?
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Yeah.
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If he doesn't want this to be burned, he better start showing some respect to the Tar Heel state.
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I told you before books.
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Look, Kenny's the goat.
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Not, you know, I'm not I'm not accepting any debate about it.
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OK, he's the goat, but I'm just saying he's got some issues.
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You know what I mean?
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And respect is a big one.
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Yeah, yeah.
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He does not respect the state he used in his entrance for years.
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Yeah, he just used you guys for all you were worth.
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And he got a T-shirt out of it that we all ran to buy.
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You know, many people I saw in North Carolina shirts the other night.
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A lot like more than two, probably.
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Yeah.
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There's also a shit ton of new day shirts in the audience, which was really funny.
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Nice.
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Nice.
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So, yeah.
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So I just wondered if you could say the part that you said earlier.
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You were right.
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OK, you were right.
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Don Callis has a good reason to be mad at Kenny and try to destroy Kenny.
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So on Wednesday, if you had a screwdriver, huh?
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No, it's not her, Kenny.
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And Kenny was in front of you.
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You'd stab him, wouldn't you?
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No, no.
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You cost him a cage match.
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No, I would not.
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OK, let's move on.
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Let's move on.
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Now you're asking me to complete violence against my god.
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And that's not OK.
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That's true.
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OK, OK.
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Let's see what the chat's saying here.
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Antoine says, you know what they say about idol worship, that you should do it, right?
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That it's a good thing to do and healthy.
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It's a great thing to do.
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I try to be so healthy.
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As parasocial as I possibly can be.
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I think that it's really good for my self-esteem.
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I think these people really know me and care about me, you know?
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You know, Matt and I had Nick and I had a moment and I was like, he knows who I am.
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He knows I've been on Team Young Bucks since the gummy bear spot.
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Tino says, hey, if it weren't for Dawn, we would have Will Ospreay in ADL.
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I think he meant wouldn't have Will Ospreay.
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Learn to spell, pal.
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Using North Carolina for clout, SMH.
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Jeff, that means shake my head.
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You know, OK, OK.
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Yeah, I've looked that up before.
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Scare Glow Books may hate Don Callis, but will she admit he's better than Paul Heyman?
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I could have done that before.
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I'm mad at Kenny.
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I think Don is like right next to Bobby Heenan.
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Like he is right there.
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Like he's that good.
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Like Kenny Omega is his hulkamania that he's devoted to destroying.
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And yeah, I think Don's like Bobby Heenan level.
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That's where he is.
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And that's way beyond Paul Heyman.
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Oh, Blair Elyne's asking, did Books Jackson get to meet his idols?
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He did. He did. He was very happy.
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He was very happy.
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Yes.
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It was like that Spider-Man mean moment.
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Yeah, they were all like just pointing it.
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Yeah, they had they had a moment.
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You went with you went with your bro.
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Yeah.
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And Mr.
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Books as well.
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And Mr.
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Books.
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Surprisingly, neither one of them want to take pictures.
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So it's like, do they exist or not?
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The Tobaro here has a good read on this situation, I think.
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Is Kenny just avoiding you, Books?
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He wants to avoid messing up your relationship with TK.
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You know, he knows that it's him then TK.
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And TK knows this as well.
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So, I mean, they know the hierarchy of this.
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This love affair.
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Okay.
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So it's kind of a it's kind of a love Ponzi scheme.
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It just keeps kicking up, keeps kicking up.
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Tino.
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Hey, I'm mowing the lawn and typing my responses quick.
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Okay.
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That is the kind of dedication we need in this podcast.
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Okay.
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Tino is mowing his lawn listening to this stream live.
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Tino, if you weren't so short and I couldn't find you,
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which when I look down, I have no idea where you are.
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But if you were larger, I'd give you a hug.
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I'd be afraid of killing you right now.
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Oh, he's never Trisha Dora.
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Talk to me at Ring of Honor taping.
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We're practically married.
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Wow.
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Wow.
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That's how it works.
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Wow.
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And I think Cowdog Games is just getting the gist of your
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torrid relationships with the many men of the A.W.
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universe.
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There's also Christian Cage and his turtleneck.
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Well, we're going to hear all about that a little later.
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Okay.
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So maybe like cool yourself down before we get that far.
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But Jeff.
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Yeah.
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Books.
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I brought you here for a very special reason.
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Yes.
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And it's because I want to talk about something that I think
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we're all aware of.
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That is the politics of pro wrestling fandom.
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Did I think of that headline and then figure out the topic
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from there?
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Yeah, I did.
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But there is a lot of politics to being a pro wrestling
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fan in the IWC these days as they're not.
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Yeah.
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It's like we're like if you're an A.W.
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fan or a WWE fan, you're basically like warring religions.
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It's like the Crusades kind of constantly going on.
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Right.
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And it's not everybody.
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It's but it's kind of like saying not every man just many
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many.
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So we're wrestling fans.
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We are one of the most niche fan bases in the world.
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But we are also one of the loudest and most fervent fan
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bases in the world.
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It's why a ton of websites have at least attempted to
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cover wrestling.
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Even if it has nothing to do with the rest of what they
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talk about, because they will get a ton of clicks.
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Wrestling is very popular.
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The average online wrestling fan that we would consider
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like a casual is like a rabid by any other means.
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You know what I mean?
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They're like little rabies infected bats flying in
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people's faces.
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But wrestling, just like everything else on social media,
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has become insanely polarized.
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It feels like wrestling promotions are the equivalent of
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sports teams or political parties or religions.
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Now, we're not just fans of individual wrestlers were
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fans of a style that a certain promotion brings to
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the table.
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And that's that's fine.
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Right.
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Right.
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Like what you like.
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But being a fan isn't enough for most of us.
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It seems we got to hate that other team because we
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feel competitive with that other team.
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At least a lot of us.
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And I'm going to use the word us here because even
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if I don't meet the standard of everything I'm
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not to talk about.
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I am a part of the IWC and they are a part of the
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IWC and it's a we thing.
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It's not a day thing.
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Right.
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I want to ask you guys an important question before
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we start.
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Who amongst us has been an asshole online?
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Not me.
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Me.
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Never.
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Okay.
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It's my whole thing.
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All right.
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So put it in the air.
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Put her in the air.
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All right.
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All right.
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So being an asshole online is kind of like a right
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of passage.
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You know, every every young person kind of has to
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have those early edge lord dickhead years, you
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know, and people my age.
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Jeff, I think you're a little younger than me.
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Is that right?
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I'm 46.
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I'm 46 as well.
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We're the same age.
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In my time, being an edge lord was the coolest
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thing you could possibly be.
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Okay.
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Like in the 90s, get us in an AOL chat room.
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You know, start talking about some Quentin Tarantino
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movies.
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Right.
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So many hours I spent so many hours.
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Yeah.
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You put on that Carlos Santana song with that
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dude from Matchbox 20 and then you just get
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rolling, man.
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Oh, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong chat room.
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Sorry.
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Scare Glow says that they hate the haters.
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Fair enough.
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Same.
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Too fat to cook says LOL.
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Okay.
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Guilty.
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Antoine says maybe.
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Sure.
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Antoine.
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Come on.
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We've all been an asshole at some point.
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Antoine says I was going to say Booksy.
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You're a fun butthole.
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Now there is a clip.
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Somebody clip that please.
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Pippin.
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I'm always an absolute lovable sweetheart on
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the Internet.
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Very close to being true.
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But that's a lie.
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And too fat to cook bashing boy bands.
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I'm sorry.
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Nice.
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Okay.
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So I've identified certain types of of toxic
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personalities in the Internet landscape and
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we'll talk about each one.
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If you end up with one that I missed,
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please let us know.
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So there's two types of what I call Crusaders.
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These are the people who are just violently
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opposed to the other.
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And the first class of Crusader are the
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offenders.
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And in my opinion, these are the lowest of
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the low.
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These are the people who they go look for you
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having a nice conversation with somebody and they
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butt in like I was talking with a friend of
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mine on threads today who was happy that John
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Moxley didn't have a match at double or nothing
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because he's worked so much.
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And I said just proves what a what a that
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he's a human being that he actually needs a
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day off.
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You know, and then this guy jumps in.
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He goes mox is the worst.
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That's an offender.
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Can I say something crazy?
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These are my favorite types though.
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Really?
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Because they're so easily.
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They're so easily triggered by just talking
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down to them.
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Mm hmm.
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Mm hmm.
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So I really like messing with them.
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Because I just tell them to go to the cry
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to their mommy that a woman was mean to them.
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And then they usually block me.
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Yeah, that's true.
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You know, then their mom brings them the
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pizza roll.
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She made them.
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And they threaten to dox me or send their
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sisters after me.
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They throw.
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I have someone say I work.
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I'm I'm I I I I I was a criminal justice
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major.
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So I'm going to send my sister after you.
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And I'm like, you should know that threatening
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me on the Internet is a criminal offense in
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most states.
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If you were criminal justice.
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But he was going to send a sister after me.
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I'm still waiting.
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That was like two months ago.
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He was as much study justice as I've
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studied brain surgery.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Which that's not fair, Jeff, because you
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you you almost have your degree.
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Come on.
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You're doing really good.
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You're doing really good.
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But yeah, these are the people that just
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want to barge in.
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They exist to spread misery because they are
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miserable.
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Nothings that have nothing of real value to
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say they look.
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And it's not I I'm I'm going to say this
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at the you know, at this point, I am not
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here to talk shit about people who like a
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certain promotion or not.
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OK.
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I'm here to have a fun conversation about
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how stupid and ridiculous we all are.
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About all of it, because all of us are
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one of these things.
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So these people are looking for people
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talking about a W or WWE or New Japan or
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Stardom.
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And then but in the people are having a
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nice exchange just to say how fucking
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lame and terrible it all is.
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They exist to spread misery, and I don't
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relate to them at all.
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So Jeff, what's your experience here with
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offenders?
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In general, I see them all the time.
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I've had people show up when I make a
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random comment.
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And sometimes I'm just like, you know,
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I'm just blocking.
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I don't have the energy.
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And other times I'll say something back.
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But in such a way, that's like I'm not
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giving them what they want.
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So then they just keep like
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reiterating, reiterating the same
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thing over and over and then resort to
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calling me names.
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And I'm like, well, that's fine if you
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want to do that.
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However, like there was I think last
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week there was one.
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We kept going back and forth.
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They was talking about a W isn't it's
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a fake company and this and that.
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I'm like, OK, well, if that's the
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case, show your work.
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I was like, can you cite sources?
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And he's like, well, you could look
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it up here.
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I'm like, if you're not going to cite
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sources and share your work, then how
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can I believe that you're saying
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anything?
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I go, these are all your opinions and
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that pissed him off.
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Which is crazy, because objectively
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they are opinions, right?
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Yeah.
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B.J. Dixon's in the house.
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What's up, buddy?
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Bleary Line seven.
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My dad's a cop and he said I can
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beat you up for reals.
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I'm also a Navy SEAL with 31
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confirmed kills and four medals of
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honor.
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I've heard of that game Medal of
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Honor.
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Yeah, I've heard of it.
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Medal of Honor.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's got it.
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He's got four.
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No, that's that's that's a
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wrestling promotion.
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That's where people.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Medal of Honor.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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Cowdog Games, whitewashers of
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people who have not watched all of
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professional wrestling history and
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are revisionists of professional
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wrestling history.
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Oftentimes, yes.
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And so I, for instance,
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made a joke on threads the other
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day that Brian Cage could have
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maybe tried to working out while
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he was injured.
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Objectively, you should be able to
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look at Brian Cage and know that
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that's a joke, right?
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Like, but I had this guy show
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up and he was like, man, fuck you.
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Brian Cage works his ass off in
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the gym.
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And I said I was, you know,
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I was being kind of an asshole in
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return. I was like, lol.
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I was it was a fucking joke.
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You dork.
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And he goes, you, you
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big ass eyeglasses.
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You you're a dork.
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And then he like goes, then he
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like started telling me that my
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bottom teeth are crooked.
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And I'm like, what are you doing?
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Like I said, like, I know I'm sexy
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as fuck. You know, you know, I
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get it. But, you know, stop
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weirding me out a little bit here.
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And then he goes, well, fuck you.
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And he blocks me.
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You know, this is going to sound
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weird, but I'm honestly sometimes
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now kind of excited to be a woman
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on the IWC because it usually
530
00:20:09.340 --> 00:20:10.620
goes to
531
00:20:11.860 --> 00:20:13.440
I'm going to come find you and do
532
00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:15.580
really bad things to you to your
533
00:20:15.580 --> 00:20:17.760
ugly back to
534
00:20:17.760 --> 00:20:18.640
that comment.
535
00:20:19.140 --> 00:20:20.720
So they're not necessarily attacking
536
00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:21.620
my looks
537
00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:24.820
so much than anything
538
00:20:24.820 --> 00:20:26.800
else. So I guess that's one plus
539
00:20:26.800 --> 00:20:28.080
for women on the
540
00:20:31.500 --> 00:20:33.460
they don't, because a lot of men
541
00:20:33.460 --> 00:20:35.620
will resort to very low tactics
542
00:20:35.620 --> 00:20:36.480
with women, too.
543
00:20:36.840 --> 00:20:38.500
But I
544
00:20:38.500 --> 00:20:40.960
really haven't experienced the look
545
00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:42.080
so much.
546
00:20:44.520 --> 00:20:46.820
I add books is using
547
00:20:46.820 --> 00:20:47.820
the term men
548
00:20:50.120 --> 00:20:51.000
boys. Yes.
549
00:20:51.140 --> 00:20:52.880
Liberally, very literally
550
00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:54.980
because none of these can be
551
00:20:54.980 --> 00:20:55.980
considered men.
552
00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:57.940
Oh, yeah. They also really don't like when you call
553
00:20:57.940 --> 00:20:58.840
them a little boy.
554
00:20:59.060 --> 00:21:00.920
Like they would like a like a like when they
555
00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:01.940
say little girl, listen to me.
556
00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:02.940
I go little boy.
557
00:21:03.040 --> 00:21:03.840
Listen to me.
558
00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:04.620
Yeah.
559
00:21:05.700 --> 00:21:06.480
Not fans.
560
00:21:06.840 --> 00:21:08.460
Fuck your mom and two times in the house.
561
00:21:08.540 --> 00:21:09.120
What a blade.
562
00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:09.840
What a books.
563
00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:12.560
Nice to meet you from another fellow, Jeff.
564
00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:13.660
Oh, nice.
565
00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:14.640
That's right.
566
00:21:15.840 --> 00:21:18.040
Yeah. And
567
00:21:18.040 --> 00:21:18.620
yeah.
568
00:21:18.740 --> 00:21:20.780
Larry Line echoing, you know, Blair Lines
569
00:21:21.340 --> 00:21:22.260
from the UK.
570
00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:24.580
And I am an Irish
571
00:21:24.580 --> 00:21:25.540
English man.
572
00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:28.040
OK, that is that is my
573
00:21:28.040 --> 00:21:28.600
heritage.
574
00:21:28.800 --> 00:21:30.720
And he says my bottom teeth are crooked.
575
00:21:30.780 --> 00:21:32.780
And I do think he's a dumb because, yeah, he
576
00:21:32.780 --> 00:21:34.920
was like going on about my bottom teeth being crooked.
577
00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:36.920
And I'm like, dude, I don't even show my
578
00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:37.940
teeth in my profile picture.
579
00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:39.600
What are you looking at?
580
00:21:40.420 --> 00:21:41.600
I got offended.
581
00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:43.000
You insult his boyfriend.
582
00:21:43.740 --> 00:21:44.220
Yeah.
583
00:21:44.780 --> 00:21:45.720
You're being creepy, dude.
584
00:21:46.380 --> 00:21:47.360
And so that's what I told him.
585
00:21:47.420 --> 00:21:49.440
I mean, I get why I'm fun to look at for
586
00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:51.220
you. But
587
00:21:51.740 --> 00:21:53.540
you're not as tight because you're not
588
00:21:53.540 --> 00:21:55.200
as jacked as Brian Cage.
589
00:21:55.860 --> 00:21:56.240
Right.
590
00:21:56.800 --> 00:21:58.360
Right. Well, I mean, Brian Cage
591
00:21:58.360 --> 00:21:59.200
in a joking manner.
592
00:21:59.900 --> 00:22:00.380
Right.
593
00:22:00.540 --> 00:22:02.620
It hurt his feelings and ruined his private
594
00:22:02.620 --> 00:22:03.380
time for later.
595
00:22:04.060 --> 00:22:04.540
Right.
596
00:22:04.800 --> 00:22:05.240
Right.
597
00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:07.460
Exactly. Because now that picture of Brian Cage
598
00:22:07.460 --> 00:22:09.880
that he's going to jacket to is he's
599
00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:10.980
worried he's not buff enough.
600
00:22:10.980 --> 00:22:13.520
And if he sees this, find
601
00:22:13.520 --> 00:22:14.200
me. Come on.
602
00:22:17.120 --> 00:22:18.780
I mean, I could be an asshole.
603
00:22:18.780 --> 00:22:19.300
Right.
604
00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:22.000
I absolutely can be.
605
00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:24.720
But I have strong and I have
606
00:22:24.720 --> 00:22:26.440
strong opinions that are going to piss people off.
607
00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:28.440
But I can say with a clear conscience
608
00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:30.440
that I definitely don't track people down
609
00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:32.820
who are enjoying talking about something
610
00:22:32.820 --> 00:22:34.120
that I don't like.
611
00:22:34.620 --> 00:22:36.480
And go in and just start shitting all over
612
00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:38.240
it. Like, I don't do that.
613
00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:39.920
Like, that's a fender.
614
00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:41.660
That's a fender behavior.
615
00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:42.820
You are the problem.
616
00:22:43.520 --> 00:22:45.020
I actually think I've done it a couple
617
00:22:45.020 --> 00:22:45.600
of times.
618
00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:46.840
Oh, bucks.
619
00:22:47.520 --> 00:22:48.140
I know.
620
00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:50.000
But if I go onto a comment and I see
621
00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:52.200
someone like, like, it's usually
622
00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:53.900
that they're, like, dissing on someone
623
00:22:53.900 --> 00:22:55.860
I like and then, like, saying, like, with
624
00:22:55.860 --> 00:22:56.980
CM Punk is the best.
625
00:22:57.120 --> 00:22:58.540
I can't but help.
626
00:22:58.800 --> 00:22:59.920
But say, OK, you little punk
627
00:23:00.940 --> 00:23:02.940
fanboy, go cry me a river.
628
00:23:02.940 --> 00:23:05.940
Mm hmm.
629
00:23:06.940 --> 00:23:07.380
Mm hmm.
630
00:23:08.260 --> 00:23:10.260
You know, Ibarra, you know, Ibarra's
631
00:23:10.260 --> 00:23:10.960
making a good point here.
632
00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:12.240
I look at Brian Cage and get a little
633
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:13.360
worried for Melissa Santos.
634
00:23:13.360 --> 00:23:15.120
She's tiny in real life and he could
635
00:23:15.120 --> 00:23:16.840
accidentally roll over and crush her to death.
636
00:23:17.060 --> 00:23:17.780
That is true.
637
00:23:18.380 --> 00:23:19.620
That is true. I've actually,
638
00:23:19.620 --> 00:23:22.280
he bumped into me at an indie show one time
639
00:23:22.280 --> 00:23:24.200
and I thought there was just a boulder
640
00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:25.360
walking towards me.
641
00:23:26.360 --> 00:23:27.100
And Brian Cage
642
00:23:27.100 --> 00:23:29.280
is the same width all the way down.
643
00:23:29.540 --> 00:23:31.180
Like, his thighs are the same width
644
00:23:31.180 --> 00:23:33.280
as his chest and his shoulders.
645
00:23:34.320 --> 00:23:36.480
He's not as tall as he looks on TV.
646
00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:38.520
He's just
647
00:23:38.520 --> 00:23:41.220
this very stout,
648
00:23:41.280 --> 00:23:42.400
very muscular man.
649
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:44.380
He doesn't skip leg day, is what you're
650
00:23:44.380 --> 00:23:44.600
saying.
651
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:47.120
I was going to say, I think Melissa Santos
652
00:23:47.120 --> 00:23:49.180
will be fine because I've seen pictures of her
653
00:23:49.180 --> 00:23:50.700
scrolling Instagram that randomly come up.
654
00:23:50.700 --> 00:23:53.260
She's competed in, like, bodybuilding competitions
655
00:23:53.780 --> 00:23:55.300
and she's pretty fucking ripped.
656
00:23:55.320 --> 00:23:56.860
So I think she's fine.
657
00:23:57.300 --> 00:23:59.340
Antoine says, no, I have, because
658
00:23:59.340 --> 00:24:01.660
we're either dissing or being completely disrespectful.
659
00:24:01.780 --> 00:24:03.360
It has to be justified.
660
00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:05.300
Antoine's gone into offender status
661
00:24:05.300 --> 00:24:06.500
a few times.
662
00:24:06.620 --> 00:24:07.140
Okay.
663
00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:08.840
Proud of it.
664
00:24:08.900 --> 00:24:10.500
I guess, you know,
665
00:24:10.540 --> 00:24:12.300
if they're dissing my boys
666
00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.220
in defense of CM Punk, I'm
667
00:24:16.220 --> 00:24:16.900
coming for blood.
668
00:24:17.600 --> 00:24:18.600
Yeah, yeah.
669
00:24:18.620 --> 00:24:20.320
So I'm more of a, like,
670
00:24:20.620 --> 00:24:22.260
if I see you
671
00:24:22.260 --> 00:24:23.680
saying, like, something like
672
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.140
there was years of this where you just
673
00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:28.180
see some rando going, like, fuck the
674
00:24:28.180 --> 00:24:30.020
elite. CM Punk is the only star in
675
00:24:30.020 --> 00:24:30.800
the world.
676
00:24:30.860 --> 00:24:30.960
CW.
677
00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:32.040
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
678
00:24:32.580 --> 00:24:34.060
You know, after the first, like,
679
00:24:34.060 --> 00:24:35.900
three hundred arguments, I kind of got tired of
680
00:24:35.900 --> 00:24:37.420
it and they just sort of block it them on site.
681
00:24:37.900 --> 00:24:38.360
You know?
682
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:40.360
But
683
00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:43.180
I also, you know,
684
00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:44.760
I do enjoy
685
00:24:44.760 --> 00:24:46.520
arguing with offenders because, like you said,
686
00:24:46.560 --> 00:24:47.800
books, you're absolutely right.
687
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:49.320
They are the ease most
688
00:24:49.320 --> 00:24:51.060
easily baited people
689
00:24:51.520 --> 00:24:53.780
in the world, and they really don't have shit
690
00:24:53.780 --> 00:24:55.000
after that first comment.
691
00:24:55.380 --> 00:24:57.060
Like if they got to think on their feet,
692
00:24:57.060 --> 00:24:57.740
They're fucked.
693
00:24:59.140 --> 00:25:00.820
So that's that's pretty funny.
694
00:25:03.380 --> 00:25:03.720
B.J.
695
00:25:03.740 --> 00:25:06.900
Dixon says I've met great fans on both sides, but I have been trolled once or
696
00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:08.500
twice, you know, and that's the thing.
697
00:25:08.500 --> 00:25:12.280
This isn't even really about like the guy, for instance, the guy who who told
698
00:25:12.280 --> 00:25:16.460
me, you know, screaming at me about Brian Cage, huge A.W. fan, right?
699
00:25:16.600 --> 00:25:18.120
Like I love A.W.
700
00:25:18.840 --> 00:25:21.380
On a surface level, I would have thought this guy and I would have been
701
00:25:21.380 --> 00:25:26.600
friends, but no, no, apparently my teeth are too crooked for him.
702
00:25:29.040 --> 00:25:29.520
That's.
703
00:25:29.620 --> 00:25:29.980
You bet.
704
00:25:30.300 --> 00:25:32.040
I bought quite a few A.W.
705
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:33.860
fans. Oh, yeah, yeah.
706
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:36.440
And speaking of A.W.
707
00:25:36.620 --> 00:25:39.560
fans, we're going to get to our second class of Crusader.
708
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:42.320
So we've talked about the offenders.
709
00:25:44.300 --> 00:25:48.630
Books and we have to talk about the defenders.
710
00:25:50.090 --> 00:25:51.750
I think you know what I'm talking about.
711
00:25:52.750 --> 00:25:54.110
Hey, I also call them out.
712
00:25:54.210 --> 00:25:56.490
OK, I also call them out, all right.
713
00:25:57.630 --> 00:25:59.530
Oh, yeah, that was a good Marvel show.
714
00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:02.270
Oh, wait, sorry. Yeah, yeah.
715
00:26:03.170 --> 00:26:06.730
The defenders are a subset of people who stand a wrestling promotion
716
00:26:06.730 --> 00:26:11.290
so hard that they will defend anything that that wrestling promotion does,
717
00:26:11.330 --> 00:26:13.150
regardless of how trivial it is.
718
00:26:13.150 --> 00:26:17.250
They cannot bear for that promotion to be criticized in any way.
719
00:26:17.750 --> 00:26:18.690
They have like.
720
00:26:19.630 --> 00:26:21.530
Like it would be like, OK, like.
721
00:26:22.670 --> 00:26:25.430
People break into Tony Khan's home, the police bust in,
722
00:26:25.430 --> 00:26:29.510
and he's got a machete in his hand and there's a bunch of dead people all around him.
723
00:26:29.770 --> 00:26:33.610
They would find some way to explain why, like Tony's a good guy
724
00:26:33.610 --> 00:26:35.010
and that was not a problem.
725
00:26:35.270 --> 00:26:36.490
And it was not a problem.
726
00:26:36.870 --> 00:26:37.430
It was just.
727
00:26:38.950 --> 00:26:42.630
And I'm going to say, I see the defenders most kind of in the A.W.
728
00:26:42.850 --> 00:26:43.370
fan base.
729
00:26:43.490 --> 00:26:47.310
It's not everyone who likes A.W., but there's enough of them.
730
00:26:48.070 --> 00:26:49.770
You know why, because we're constantly on guard.
731
00:26:50.910 --> 00:26:52.210
Well, I think that's true.
732
00:26:52.370 --> 00:26:53.070
I think that's true.
733
00:26:53.070 --> 00:26:57.530
And I would say that I think the WWE fan base isn't worried about WWE
734
00:26:57.530 --> 00:26:59.910
going out of business, they're more like.
735
00:27:01.790 --> 00:27:06.990
Fuck you for even insinuating that anybody occupies the same space as WWE, right?
736
00:27:07.090 --> 00:27:10.590
That's kind of more they're like coming from an offensive position more.
737
00:27:11.490 --> 00:27:14.610
Whereas the A.W. fans, I think, are so worried that A.W.
738
00:27:14.630 --> 00:27:15.630
is going to be taken away.
739
00:27:15.650 --> 00:27:17.210
I think that's a really.
740
00:27:18.310 --> 00:27:20.290
That's a mentality that I see prevalent.
741
00:27:20.290 --> 00:27:22.430
See, I used to be that way.
742
00:27:22.430 --> 00:27:24.850
And then I realized how much billions of dollars are.
743
00:27:26.190 --> 00:27:28.490
Mm hmm. And right.
744
00:27:29.010 --> 00:27:31.610
But, you know, they don't generate revenue, you know,
745
00:27:31.610 --> 00:27:35.850
they don't have anybody that draws and hearing that the shards are like
746
00:27:35.850 --> 00:27:39.190
the 13th biggest like sports family.
747
00:27:39.510 --> 00:27:41.550
Yeah, I'm like.
748
00:27:42.970 --> 00:27:46.810
Yeah, they're not and they're not going away anytime soon.
749
00:27:47.890 --> 00:27:50.270
So, like, we mean like.
750
00:27:51.450 --> 00:27:53.350
It's more the other bad base now
751
00:27:54.350 --> 00:27:58.490
that trigger me or someone, the Tobro said, honestly,
752
00:27:58.490 --> 00:28:00.790
I don't mind them if they at least have an original take.
753
00:28:00.850 --> 00:28:02.470
There's nothing worse than a parroting bot.
754
00:28:02.970 --> 00:28:06.470
And if you're if we're talking about offenders, none of almost
755
00:28:06.470 --> 00:28:07.810
none of them have an original take.
756
00:28:07.810 --> 00:28:12.450
They're like the birds from finding Nemo going my, my, my, my, my, my, mine.
757
00:28:12.570 --> 00:28:15.310
And it's all this is what Mitchell said.
758
00:28:15.310 --> 00:28:16.850
This is what Cornett said.
759
00:28:17.270 --> 00:28:18.530
This is what Bob said.
760
00:28:18.990 --> 00:28:20.010
Shut up.
761
00:28:20.550 --> 00:28:23.030
Do you have an original brain cell?
762
00:28:23.570 --> 00:28:25.870
If your whole personality is parroting Cornett.
763
00:28:26.770 --> 00:28:30.470
Yeah, so I immediately just know.
764
00:28:31.410 --> 00:28:32.170
See, right.
765
00:28:32.590 --> 00:28:33.290
Or bully, right.
766
00:28:33.430 --> 00:28:35.230
You brain cells rub together.
767
00:28:35.430 --> 00:28:35.950
Yeah.
768
00:28:36.010 --> 00:28:37.990
Form an original raise another one.
769
00:28:39.890 --> 00:28:41.450
BJ Dixon said, I know you guys hate JD,
770
00:28:41.510 --> 00:28:43.530
and I am still pleasantly surprised with how mature
771
00:28:43.530 --> 00:28:46.270
Kevin Knight was in his comments about the open challenge stuff on Wednesday.
772
00:28:46.350 --> 00:28:47.650
I didn't hear what he said.
773
00:28:48.050 --> 00:28:54.070
Yeah, you know, I find these people who are trying to just.
774
00:28:54.970 --> 00:28:59.010
Like, I could probably get us a much bigger listenership if I just
775
00:28:59.870 --> 00:29:03.690
shit on people a lot more and like was way more aggressive,
776
00:29:03.710 --> 00:29:05.130
like hot takes and shit.
777
00:29:05.350 --> 00:29:08.610
But I don't want to do that because I think that that's not fun
778
00:29:08.610 --> 00:29:10.590
to listen to after a certain point, right?
779
00:29:10.830 --> 00:29:12.930
Well, Bully Ray, you know, all of these guys,
780
00:29:12.930 --> 00:29:15.730
that's what they do, is they do these hot take things.
781
00:29:16.190 --> 00:29:17.590
And it's just so boring.
782
00:29:17.790 --> 00:29:18.670
It's so boring.
783
00:29:18.770 --> 00:29:21.190
You know, they're trying to get themselves over.
784
00:29:21.190 --> 00:29:23.410
As they say, the talent doesn't know how to get themselves over.
785
00:29:23.590 --> 00:29:24.550
That's what they're doing.
786
00:29:24.570 --> 00:29:27.630
They're getting themselves over with their fan base,
787
00:29:27.730 --> 00:29:29.610
whatever that fan base is, Jim Cornett, all of them.
788
00:29:29.670 --> 00:29:30.410
Same thing.
789
00:29:30.810 --> 00:29:34.070
If anyone knows what it's like to listen to a podcast full of people
790
00:29:34.070 --> 00:29:36.410
who just constantly shit on everything.
791
00:29:37.130 --> 00:29:40.850
Yeah, me, because I grew I say grew up shit podcast.
792
00:29:40.850 --> 00:29:44.150
I think when I was growing up, when podcast first came out,
793
00:29:44.150 --> 00:29:47.070
there was a ton of people just shitting on every horror movie.
794
00:29:47.310 --> 00:29:50.470
So the horror community and the wrestling community online
795
00:29:50.470 --> 00:29:52.770
are basically like this in my eyes.
796
00:29:52.990 --> 00:29:56.290
Yes, they're competing for who can be the biggest assholes.
797
00:29:58.070 --> 00:29:59.790
Yeah. 8BitBruxet with a great point.
798
00:29:59.970 --> 00:30:02.190
If TNA is still kicking with all of its many flaws,
799
00:30:02.410 --> 00:30:04.890
AEW will be just fine. That is so true.
800
00:30:05.050 --> 00:30:08.010
That is the most accurate statement I've ever heard.
801
00:30:08.010 --> 00:30:13.130
Well, and this is why when people get so defensive about it, it's like, look,
802
00:30:14.010 --> 00:30:18.430
it is not my job as a fan to understand
803
00:30:19.170 --> 00:30:23.430
why for some behind the scenes reason, the promotion did something I don't like.
804
00:30:24.190 --> 00:30:25.290
That's not my job.
805
00:30:25.570 --> 00:30:26.570
I'm just a fan.
806
00:30:27.030 --> 00:30:29.390
Like, I give you guys a shitload of my money.
807
00:30:29.510 --> 00:30:32.190
I give you my attention. I talk about you online.
808
00:30:32.210 --> 00:30:35.410
I do everything I possibly can already.
809
00:30:35.410 --> 00:30:38.190
I don't owe AEW anything.
810
00:30:38.810 --> 00:30:39.490
You know what I mean?
811
00:30:39.810 --> 00:30:43.750
Like, and it's good for me to say, hey, I didn't like this.
812
00:30:44.010 --> 00:30:47.390
Or, hey, I thought this MJF promo was misogynistic.
813
00:30:47.430 --> 00:30:50.210
Or, hey, like, I don't want
814
00:30:51.030 --> 00:30:52.870
a Camille come back or whatever.
815
00:30:53.170 --> 00:30:54.610
I feel like saying, right?
816
00:30:55.390 --> 00:30:57.890
Like, it is not our job to like.
817
00:30:59.890 --> 00:31:03.430
Constantly rationalize why a promotion does what it does,
818
00:31:03.950 --> 00:31:08.450
you know, like it's the same thing as ratings and ticket sales and all this other shit.
819
00:31:08.590 --> 00:31:11.170
I'm just a fan at the end of the day.
820
00:31:11.170 --> 00:31:15.150
Like, I don't make any money if the company sells more tickets or not.
821
00:31:15.470 --> 00:31:18.290
I just like it. I watch it because I like it.
822
00:31:18.770 --> 00:31:20.670
And when something happens that I don't like,
823
00:31:20.710 --> 00:31:22.950
I don't need to feel bad about not liking it.
824
00:31:22.950 --> 00:31:24.730
I'm just going to say I don't like it.
825
00:31:24.730 --> 00:31:26.970
And I'm just a loud, opinionated person on the Internet.
826
00:31:27.050 --> 00:31:30.540
And you can choose to listen to me or not, you know.
827
00:31:31.060 --> 00:31:35.080
I'm I'm going to, you know, because I get a lot of shit for being a shill.
828
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:41.660
I will say I had a very prominent threader reach out to me.
829
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:47.360
He was a former wrestler saying that he was very proud that I was standing on my ground.
830
00:31:48.840 --> 00:31:51.540
With the Paramount EW stuff, and he goes,
831
00:31:51.600 --> 00:31:53.500
I know that that is hard for you to say.
832
00:31:53.560 --> 00:31:56.500
And I said, thank you, because a lot of shit for that.
833
00:31:56.920 --> 00:31:59.020
And I'm still standing on my ground
834
00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:01.460
with the Paramount stuff.
835
00:32:03.380 --> 00:32:04.520
But. Totally.
836
00:32:06.340 --> 00:32:09.840
So you could be a defender and very out
837
00:32:09.840 --> 00:32:13.440
and loud about the things that piss you off that the company has done.
838
00:32:14.060 --> 00:32:17.200
Like what one women's match last on Wednesday.
839
00:32:17.420 --> 00:32:21.360
Well, and really just like the women's division is kind of going backwards
840
00:32:21.360 --> 00:32:26.420
right now, like it's it's really felt that way for the last few months now
841
00:32:26.420 --> 00:32:30.500
where you're getting a lot less women's wrestling, a lot less women's screen time.
842
00:32:30.940 --> 00:32:34.240
And I'm starting to see people, you know, there'll be one match on the show
843
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:35.920
and the 1030 death slot or whatever.
844
00:32:36.020 --> 00:32:38.460
And then they'll say, yeah, but, you know, with all the promos
845
00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:41.380
and all that other stuff, there was like 17 women featured this week.
846
00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:42.820
It's like, no.
847
00:32:43.360 --> 00:32:44.940
And like 70 men.
848
00:32:45.520 --> 00:32:47.020
It seems to be happening throughout.
849
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.300
All the promotions, which I think people are letting it slide
850
00:32:52.180 --> 00:32:56.120
because, you know, other and I think that's even more reason to be louder.
851
00:32:56.120 --> 00:32:57.220
But that's just me.
852
00:32:58.460 --> 00:33:01.300
Yeah, the women deserve as much time as the men on the show.
853
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.880
So if you have a slate for, say, six matches,
854
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.700
then three of those go to the women, three of those go to the men.
855
00:33:07.060 --> 00:33:09.640
And I'll argue a lot of the time with A.W.
856
00:33:09.980 --> 00:33:12.540
I've I've been in recent history, I've been enjoying those women's
857
00:33:12.540 --> 00:33:15.340
matches more than the men not to take anything away.
858
00:33:15.620 --> 00:33:17.400
But the women have been far more entertaining.
859
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:19.680
Well, and I mean, to each their own, right?
860
00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:20.880
Like you like what you like.
861
00:33:21.140 --> 00:33:23.880
But I think Blair Eiland makes a great point here.
862
00:33:24.520 --> 00:33:28.000
TK is a billionaire who demands creative control of his wrestling company.
863
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.900
He can handle it if we don't like something he does.
864
00:33:31.560 --> 00:33:34.600
Yeah, he's not heard right.
865
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.940
Like A.W. is the most responsive wrestling company
866
00:33:37.940 --> 00:33:40.720
I've ever seen to fan feedback, sometimes too responsive.
867
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.980
Remember when they like literally changed Mina's music
868
00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:46.620
in the middle of the show because people on Twitter
869
00:33:46.620 --> 00:33:47.940
were shitting on her new song?
870
00:33:48.020 --> 00:33:50.660
I mean, that's like too responsive, right?
871
00:33:52.540 --> 00:33:54.660
I'm I'm still irritated by that, by the way.
872
00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:57.360
Yeah. And it's one of my favorite things about A.W.
873
00:33:57.520 --> 00:34:00.640
and Tony Khan is that he is very responsive and he doesn't go
874
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.580
your opinions are trash and then hires
875
00:34:05.620 --> 00:34:09.620
streamers to parrot that you shouldn't have opinions.
876
00:34:10.620 --> 00:34:12.960
What's funny about the Mina thing, just
877
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.179
people were like, oh, change your music back. This sucks.
878
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:19.560
They started to do the same thing with Okada.
879
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:22.320
And then after about a week, they were like, oh, it's fine.
880
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:23.159
You have to let themes grow.
881
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.699
Like, oh, you you shit on Mina's theme.
882
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.880
Come on. You get a whole new dance routine and everything.
883
00:34:30.699 --> 00:34:32.800
B.J. Dixon said there's a difference in being honest
884
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:34.159
and simply having a bad faith take.
885
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.760
I've found a lot of honest podcasts and make good friends
886
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.000
doing content creation. Absolutely.
887
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:41.480
I mean, the thing is, like.
888
00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:46.620
It's my right to say I don't like something, right?
889
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:49.239
And it's my right to complain about something
890
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.219
like I was just doing about the women, right?
891
00:34:51.219 --> 00:34:54.940
But the people listening to this podcast is their right to say,
892
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.660
you know what, blade, you're full of shit like fuck this.
893
00:34:57.700 --> 00:34:58.880
I don't want to listen to this.
894
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.040
And they don't listen to me. Right.
895
00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:02.460
That's the risk I run.
896
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:04.040
That's the risk Tony runs.
897
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.100
That's the risk everybody who makes anything runs.
898
00:35:07.600 --> 00:35:10.120
OK. And if you tell me you don't like something
899
00:35:10.120 --> 00:35:13.400
and you tell me in a way that I can hear and respond to,
900
00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:14.320
maybe I will.
901
00:35:14.660 --> 00:35:16.060
Or maybe I'll go, this guy's fucked.
902
00:35:16.180 --> 00:35:18.140
Fuck him. You know, like, who knows?
903
00:35:18.740 --> 00:35:20.040
It's your right to do it.
904
00:35:20.040 --> 00:35:24.920
And and and like, you should use your voice.
905
00:35:25.060 --> 00:35:27.900
I don't I'm not advocating for people to be assholes.
906
00:35:28.160 --> 00:35:31.540
I'm just advocating for people to maybe take a step back.
907
00:35:32.080 --> 00:35:36.040
I think a lot of us lived through the highs of the beginning of A.W.
908
00:35:36.340 --> 00:35:40.140
And then the CM Punk brawl out fallout kind of year,
909
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.160
two years that happened where A.W.
910
00:35:43.300 --> 00:35:45.040
was literally could do nothing right.
911
00:35:45.460 --> 00:35:49.580
Everything was like, look at what a joke this fucking company is all the time.
912
00:35:49.580 --> 00:35:52.180
Right. And it sucked.
913
00:35:52.640 --> 00:35:53.500
It absolutely sucked.
914
00:35:53.720 --> 00:35:55.780
I remember before A.W.
915
00:35:56.180 --> 00:35:57.880
and what that was like and what W.W.E.
916
00:35:57.900 --> 00:36:02.420
was horrible and nobody to credibly challenge them or push them at all.
917
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.500
I don't want to go back to that.
918
00:36:05.040 --> 00:36:07.160
But you can't worry about narratives
919
00:36:07.160 --> 00:36:10.700
getting started and getting out of control like it does no good
920
00:36:10.700 --> 00:36:13.740
to go argue with people who really don't have any interest
921
00:36:13.740 --> 00:36:16.360
in having a good faith discussion in the first place.
922
00:36:17.080 --> 00:36:18.540
You're not going to change their mind
923
00:36:18.540 --> 00:36:19.780
and they're not going to change yours.
924
00:36:21.020 --> 00:36:24.380
So I'm just saying on the defender's front,
925
00:36:24.600 --> 00:36:26.080
I understand where your heart is,
926
00:36:26.860 --> 00:36:30.060
but you're really not doing yourself any good and you're kind of annoying.
927
00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:33.560
You know, you can take it too far.
928
00:36:33.640 --> 00:36:34.760
You can take it too far as well.
929
00:36:35.900 --> 00:36:36.780
Let's see.
930
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.540
OK. Blurry Line 7, I still think the hangman stipulation was stupid
931
00:36:40.540 --> 00:36:42.080
and is not added to anything.
932
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:44.300
I think allowing Rhonda in when people are blacklisted
933
00:36:44.300 --> 00:36:45.860
for holding her exact beliefs.
934
00:36:46.300 --> 00:36:47.780
Yeah. Fair point. Fair point.
935
00:36:47.780 --> 00:36:50.960
I'm for me, I mean, just for me on the hangman thing,
936
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.860
I'm waiting to see how he comes back, I think.
937
00:36:54.200 --> 00:36:56.280
But I agree with the Rhonda thing.
938
00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:00.140
I like the sexy pirate rave music, not going to lie for Mina.
939
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
940
00:37:01.580 --> 00:37:04.240
Yes. And Blurry Line, we talked about this through
941
00:37:04.240 --> 00:37:07.240
in my honest opinion, they made a mistake by debuting Swerve's
942
00:37:07.240 --> 00:37:09.160
new music before he turned heel.
943
00:37:09.620 --> 00:37:11.360
It did kind of telegraph his turn heavily.
944
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:16.040
I think it is so much better when he's a heel to have that music.
945
00:37:16.040 --> 00:37:19.480
He did say some the other day about like talk to the lawyers
946
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:20.940
about why he can't use.
947
00:37:21.980 --> 00:37:25.220
His old song, so I'm not sure what's going on there.
948
00:37:25.220 --> 00:37:28.000
I'm not sure if he's being a troll or what.
949
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.120
8Bit Bruchet says clearly TK knows how to give the women more
950
00:37:31.120 --> 00:37:32.800
or even equal time, look at Ring of Honor.
951
00:37:33.100 --> 00:37:35.360
That sometimes makes me wonder, not that I think it's true,
952
00:37:35.380 --> 00:37:38.760
if WBD has given some sort of input regarding that,
953
00:37:39.140 --> 00:37:41.840
you know, whether WBD has or not,
954
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.020
I would say Tony Khan is very concerned with the ratings.
955
00:37:45.020 --> 00:37:49.400
I guess that's a huge part of how the wrestling world works.
956
00:37:49.540 --> 00:37:51.380
Sure. But.
957
00:37:52.560 --> 00:37:56.220
You have the talent to let these
958
00:37:56.940 --> 00:38:00.480
can't just be Mercedes and Tony carrying this whole thing.
959
00:38:02.120 --> 00:38:05.680
And something that BJ said, too, is that Willow and Tecla,
960
00:38:05.820 --> 00:38:09.340
they're they're great wrestlers, but their storylines are very much
961
00:38:09.340 --> 00:38:11.220
overlapping and very similar right now.
962
00:38:11.300 --> 00:38:13.500
When you have two women that are so freaking good
963
00:38:13.500 --> 00:38:18.820
that are on the same who could be the same level as a Mercedes and Tony,
964
00:38:18.820 --> 00:38:23.640
if you gave them the freaking time and actual real storylines
965
00:38:23.640 --> 00:38:26.540
instead of having them all keep merging into one.
966
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:29.940
And it's like merging them into one is just an excuse to have less women
967
00:38:30.600 --> 00:38:35.340
on this or put more women on the show in one match as opposed to.
968
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.140
Doing more. Yeah.
969
00:38:38.140 --> 00:38:40.080
And I think that's where I need to look at their own creative
970
00:38:40.080 --> 00:38:42.280
for the men's storylines, because they've had
971
00:38:43.220 --> 00:38:46.420
multiple men who have tried to vie for that top men's title,
972
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.580
but they have their own stories going so many different directions.
973
00:38:50.120 --> 00:38:51.140
But it's like with the women, they go,
974
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.180
well, you all branched to this one conclusion.
975
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:57.120
It's like, no, I, I want to see Nina
976
00:38:58.500 --> 00:39:00.500
teaming up with people, but I want to see her tear it
977
00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:04.140
ass in the backstage area, trying to determine who killed Tony.
978
00:39:04.340 --> 00:39:07.200
And so like, I think like right now they're doing something kind of.
979
00:39:08.100 --> 00:39:10.400
Different, which is a non title
980
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.400
storyline with Hikaru Shida.
981
00:39:13.620 --> 00:39:15.200
Right. And that's cool.
982
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:18.420
But it's like, it shouldn't be this rare that you guys do that.
983
00:39:18.540 --> 00:39:20.220
You know, it's a great story.
984
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:23.380
It's actually one, maybe my favorite story that they're telling right now
985
00:39:23.380 --> 00:39:25.620
is she being this kind of manipulator.
986
00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:30.420
Right. And her showing how far she's come as a promo and stuff
987
00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:31.560
has been amazing.
988
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.240
But right now, they're kind of using Tekla
989
00:39:34.240 --> 00:39:38.180
and the Sisters of Sin, like the Triangle of Madness is like
990
00:39:38.180 --> 00:39:41.100
everybody kind of runs into them at some point.
991
00:39:41.140 --> 00:39:42.820
And that's where the story always ends.
992
00:39:43.340 --> 00:39:45.560
And they're not made to look.
993
00:39:47.020 --> 00:39:49.700
Fearsome enough to justify that,
994
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.480
you know, Tekla is great.
995
00:39:53.680 --> 00:39:54.620
It's not her fault.
996
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.260
It's the booking, you know,
997
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:58.980
Blarrey Line seven does make a good point.
998
00:39:59.000 --> 00:39:59.840
You got to hand it to Vince.
999
00:40:00.220 --> 00:40:01.240
He created modern wrestling.
1000
00:40:01.520 --> 00:40:04.360
You absolutely, absolutely should be assholes to those people.
1001
00:40:04.620 --> 00:40:06.180
It's a social responsibility.
1002
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:10.060
This thing that did not create wrestling, he is not the reason we have
1003
00:40:10.060 --> 00:40:13.860
wrestling is he didn't save wrestling else.
1004
00:40:13.860 --> 00:40:16.020
Why is multiple times by
1005
00:40:17.160 --> 00:40:19.260
so and so with lots of numbers.
1006
00:40:19.680 --> 00:40:23.240
Right. That wrestling is WWE and Vince McMahon.
1007
00:40:23.740 --> 00:40:26.280
And I should have more respect. Yeah.
1008
00:40:27.540 --> 00:40:28.640
I mean, he had normalized.
1009
00:40:28.940 --> 00:40:30.000
Yeah. Well, yeah.
1010
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.340
I mean, he very much normalized that.
1011
00:40:32.420 --> 00:40:34.300
Larry Linesworth is also tweeting about not getting books.
1012
00:40:34.300 --> 00:40:36.840
So I feel like his social media posts are very much in Cape
1013
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:38.720
Ape at the moment. They definitely are.
1014
00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:43.320
Yeah, I think it's hilarious when people think that Swerve is unhappy.
1015
00:40:43.580 --> 00:40:46.100
Yeah, I want to see more wrestlers doing that.
1016
00:40:46.640 --> 00:40:49.980
Like, you know, Ricochet may yet Ricochet knows can cross the line,
1017
00:40:50.020 --> 00:40:52.580
but he's constantly in character on social media.
1018
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.860
Swerve is being in character right now.
1019
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:56.100
MJF is always in character.
1020
00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:00.480
More of that social media has ruined a lot,
1021
00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:02.500
but now can be used to advance storytelling,
1022
00:41:02.500 --> 00:41:03.860
and they need to do that more.
1023
00:41:03.860 --> 00:41:06.380
Well, and I think that's what the modern Cape Ape is.
1024
00:41:06.680 --> 00:41:09.460
You know, Ricochet definitely went too far with the one comment he made.
1025
00:41:09.740 --> 00:41:14.180
Think that at the end of the day, like he
1026
00:41:14.180 --> 00:41:17.240
what he's doing generally is pretty good.
1027
00:41:18.460 --> 00:41:21.120
The Tobaro says maybe not rage at every perceived wrong turn.
1028
00:41:21.260 --> 00:41:22.320
They take whoever it is.
1029
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.040
I think, you know, I've watched wrestling for 30 years.
1030
00:41:25.040 --> 00:41:29.760
I'm not going to sit here and fucking freak out over a two minutes
1031
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.660
of a two hour show that I didn't like.
1032
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:32.540
You know what I mean?
1033
00:41:32.540 --> 00:41:38.200
I I'm a podcaster, so I'm going to talk about a lot of things
1034
00:41:38.200 --> 00:41:40.840
because otherwise I'd have nothing to talk about.
1035
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:44.520
Right. But like, I don't we don't need to like freak
1036
00:41:44.520 --> 00:41:47.000
the fuck out over these teeny tiny things,
1037
00:41:47.020 --> 00:41:50.140
which I think a lot of the hot take kind of culture is the bully
1038
00:41:50.140 --> 00:41:51.740
rays and stuff. It's like.
1039
00:41:52.540 --> 00:41:56.120
You know, they have a segment of them ranting about something
1040
00:41:56.120 --> 00:41:59.920
longer than the actual segment was that they're ranting about, you know.
1041
00:42:02.540 --> 00:42:06.820
I will say I was guilty of defending two things,
1042
00:42:07.060 --> 00:42:11.080
one death riders still because I was like, just wait and let it play out.
1043
00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:13.880
I was like, I know it's slowed down.
1044
00:42:14.140 --> 00:42:15.840
I know things have gone like.
1045
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:20.220
We got to see what's going to happen, because if it's going to end
1046
00:42:20.220 --> 00:42:23.700
just abruptly, then it's just going to happen.
1047
00:42:24.520 --> 00:42:25.280
Let's just see.
1048
00:42:25.940 --> 00:42:27.700
The biggest one, though, was when people came out going,
1049
00:42:28.020 --> 00:42:31.240
why the hell did Tony give the guns the championship belt?
1050
00:42:31.240 --> 00:42:32.620
Why are they the tag champions?
1051
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:36.040
I'm like, dude, I told them, I'm like, you need to let this happen
1052
00:42:36.040 --> 00:42:39.800
because they only have it as a they're a transitional champion.
1053
00:42:40.520 --> 00:42:42.360
They're giving the shit heels.
1054
00:42:42.620 --> 00:42:44.100
The chicken shit heels, the titles.
1055
00:42:44.900 --> 00:42:46.360
And then they lost them.
1056
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:48.800
I'm like, do you not see that that's how this works?
1057
00:42:48.940 --> 00:42:49.920
No, they don't.
1058
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:51.420
No, they don't.
1059
00:42:51.460 --> 00:42:55.020
And the fact that they go, why did you give the fucking guns the titles?
1060
00:42:55.220 --> 00:42:59.020
That's why, because they look like undeserving assholes
1061
00:42:59.020 --> 00:43:00.420
who cheated to get the titles.
1062
00:43:00.680 --> 00:43:01.980
And you're supposed to hate them for that.
1063
00:43:02.060 --> 00:43:03.060
That's the whole point.
1064
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:05.660
Yeah, I was excited when they won.
1065
00:43:06.020 --> 00:43:08.300
Yeah. So with promotions or with
1066
00:43:10.160 --> 00:43:13.760
wrestlers or whatever, if they do something like blatantly fucked up.
1067
00:43:14.540 --> 00:43:16.160
We can call them on it.
1068
00:43:16.160 --> 00:43:18.020
You know, like we died.
1069
00:43:18.600 --> 00:43:22.340
I just consume the product and I say how I feel about the product.
1070
00:43:22.540 --> 00:43:25.360
You know, it's not ruining my life or my day.
1071
00:43:25.580 --> 00:43:27.460
You know, I'm just saying how I feel about it.
1072
00:43:27.460 --> 00:43:30.040
And it shouldn't ruin your day
1073
00:43:30.040 --> 00:43:32.500
if somebody else dislikes something that you like.
1074
00:43:33.200 --> 00:43:34.260
You know, just ignore it.
1075
00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:34.780
Move on.
1076
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.680
There's probably plenty of people who agree with you now.
1077
00:43:38.420 --> 00:43:40.620
That's what I'm trying to focus on now.
1078
00:43:40.620 --> 00:43:43.000
And like, yeah, really pisses me off.
1079
00:43:44.020 --> 00:43:46.640
Yeah, just like just like I said, like,
1080
00:43:46.720 --> 00:43:49.700
I think that there's plenty of defenders in the WWE fan base,
1081
00:43:49.700 --> 00:43:52.140
but they kind of come across more as offenders
1082
00:43:52.140 --> 00:43:55.420
because they they're very aggressive in the way they talk.
1083
00:43:56.600 --> 00:43:59.060
They like they're not worried about it going out of business.
1084
00:43:59.060 --> 00:44:00.880
I'm not worried about A.W. going out of business.
1085
00:44:00.940 --> 00:44:02.180
Think about this.
1086
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:06.720
When A.W. started, Jim Cornett literally was before they even had a show.
1087
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.220
Jim Cornett was calling it an outlaw mud show
1088
00:44:09.220 --> 00:44:11.080
that would go out of business in six months.
1089
00:44:11.560 --> 00:44:15.780
They had every legends contract guy sitting there saying,
1090
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:16.820
this isn't wrestling.
1091
00:44:17.120 --> 00:44:18.140
This is horse shit.
1092
00:44:18.380 --> 00:44:19.140
This sucks.
1093
00:44:19.520 --> 00:44:20.520
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
1094
00:44:20.620 --> 00:44:22.820
And here we are seven years later.
1095
00:44:23.300 --> 00:44:25.160
CM Punk pulled the shit he pulled.
1096
00:44:25.420 --> 00:44:29.040
And fucking threw a fucking bomb right in the middle of the company.
1097
00:44:30.680 --> 00:44:32.260
And we're still here.
1098
00:44:32.260 --> 00:44:34.640
And they're doing better now than they were then.
1099
00:44:34.820 --> 00:44:35.880
Yeah, you know.
1100
00:44:36.540 --> 00:44:39.360
So A.W. is going to be fine, is the point.
1101
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.940
Like, I think the the time to be scared might have been
1102
00:44:42.940 --> 00:44:44.460
before that first renewal.
1103
00:44:44.740 --> 00:44:48.760
I think I was I was a little more worried about A.W. than I am now.
1104
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.240
But they're already trying to kick that shit up again, like WWE
1105
00:44:52.240 --> 00:44:55.040
doesn't think A.W. is going to get a TV deal next time.
1106
00:44:55.040 --> 00:44:58.600
My question is, why would WWE have any insight like
1107
00:44:59.500 --> 00:45:03.240
they obviously have made it very clear that they don't want A.W.
1108
00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:07.900
around because it has forced them to do better as a company.
1109
00:45:07.900 --> 00:45:13.120
And now they're completely just kind of fucking that all away again,
1110
00:45:13.120 --> 00:45:15.780
because they're so convinced that.
1111
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:19.280
The landscape is in their favor when it's not.
1112
00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:24.840
They haven't had any real competition
1113
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:28.880
to force their hand to do something and they don't know how to deal with it.
1114
00:45:31.970 --> 00:45:34.030
Four or five guys they could rely on.
1115
00:45:34.310 --> 00:45:36.790
Nobody else matters saying that as an owner of a company.
1116
00:45:37.010 --> 00:45:38.670
That's that's what I keep going back to.
1117
00:45:39.250 --> 00:45:40.950
That's what I keep going back to. I'm like,
1118
00:45:41.730 --> 00:45:42.570
you're not building up
1119
00:45:42.570 --> 00:45:45.090
anyone else because you want to rely on Cody and Roman and Randy.
1120
00:45:45.330 --> 00:45:47.710
It's like a certain point, those guys are going to retire.
1121
00:45:48.350 --> 00:45:51.110
Well, I think what did it for me was
1122
00:45:51.110 --> 00:45:54.110
I had heard some rumors that there was some rich guy
1123
00:45:54.110 --> 00:45:56.010
who was talking about starting a wrestling company
1124
00:45:56.010 --> 00:45:58.910
and that Jim Ross was talking to him, maybe Chris Jericho.
1125
00:46:00.350 --> 00:46:02.470
And then I heard in the ether somewhere,
1126
00:46:02.490 --> 00:46:06.410
maybe the Young Bucks were involved somehow or Cody Rhodes.
1127
00:46:06.610 --> 00:46:07.650
I didn't even hear Kenny.
1128
00:46:07.970 --> 00:46:10.790
He was the IWGP heavyweight champion at the time.
1129
00:46:12.170 --> 00:46:15.630
So I remember, though, when I saw that raw
1130
00:46:15.630 --> 00:46:20.050
where Vince and Triple H and Linda and Stephanie
1131
00:46:20.050 --> 00:46:23.930
and Shane all come out and they go, we know the show's been bad
1132
00:46:23.930 --> 00:46:25.690
and you guys deserve better.
1133
00:46:25.930 --> 00:46:27.470
You're the authority now.
1134
00:46:27.590 --> 00:46:31.470
My thought was, wait, you knew this whole time the show was bad.
1135
00:46:32.490 --> 00:46:35.930
And you're just now saying it and you're just now
1136
00:46:35.930 --> 00:46:38.050
trying to do some about it. What's the big fucking deal?
1137
00:46:38.050 --> 00:46:41.510
And then like three days later, all elite wrestling got announced.
1138
00:46:41.750 --> 00:46:45.330
And it's like they don't know how to handle it. That is true.
1139
00:46:45.830 --> 00:46:48.910
And what's funny now is instead of admitting that the show is bad,
1140
00:46:48.910 --> 00:46:50.870
they're blaming the fans for complaining.
1141
00:46:52.270 --> 00:46:53.810
Right, right.
1142
00:46:55.870 --> 00:46:58.170
Antoine says, Jeff, you should have told that to Blade,
1143
00:46:58.170 --> 00:46:59.370
lol about the death writers.
1144
00:46:59.710 --> 00:47:01.990
Everybody told me that about the death writers. All right.
1145
00:47:02.150 --> 00:47:04.950
I got. Yeah, I didn't need to tell Blade.
1146
00:47:05.110 --> 00:47:06.950
People are telling him that he's here.
1147
00:47:06.950 --> 00:47:08.350
Here's the difference with me.
1148
00:47:08.370 --> 00:47:11.350
Blade made his point and he has every right to have that opinion.
1149
00:47:11.450 --> 00:47:12.750
I'm not going to tell him he's wrong.
1150
00:47:12.830 --> 00:47:15.230
I'm not going to tell them, try to convince them otherwise.
1151
00:47:15.630 --> 00:47:17.530
I stood on a different, different opinion.
1152
00:47:17.530 --> 00:47:20.450
And I just say, hey, maybe let it play out.
1153
00:47:20.670 --> 00:47:23.270
But if that's the way you feel, look at how smug he looks right now.
1154
00:47:23.430 --> 00:47:26.770
He's been told he's right twice in like an hour.
1155
00:47:28.830 --> 00:47:30.370
I'll tell you what.
1156
00:47:30.650 --> 00:47:31.890
My name is. Don't worry.
1157
00:47:32.270 --> 00:47:33.290
On the other show, the people.
1158
00:47:33.590 --> 00:47:36.110
My name is loud and wrong.
1159
00:47:36.230 --> 00:47:40.110
Blade Daly, you know, when I'm wrong, I want to be right.
1160
00:47:40.650 --> 00:47:44.450
I want to be out there with it, you know, and then when I'm right,
1161
00:47:44.910 --> 00:47:47.210
people are very quiet about it because they don't want me
1162
00:47:47.210 --> 00:47:49.990
to get a big head, which I don't know why they'd worry about that.
1163
00:47:49.990 --> 00:47:51.050
You know what I mean?
1164
00:47:51.090 --> 00:47:52.330
Like, I'm going to get a big head.
1165
00:47:53.590 --> 00:47:56.270
OK, Blair, Eli says, in my honest opinion, Tecla has been booked
1166
00:47:56.270 --> 00:47:58.670
pretty poorly as champion, especially as world champion.
1167
00:47:58.670 --> 00:48:01.790
But her individual performances have absolutely overperformed
1168
00:48:01.790 --> 00:48:03.870
the material and made it OK, 100 percent.
1169
00:48:04.030 --> 00:48:07.850
I would say since Mercedes dropped the belt to Willow.
1170
00:48:09.030 --> 00:48:10.490
The women's division has.
1171
00:48:11.390 --> 00:48:14.750
Been sliding as far as focus, and.
1172
00:48:15.590 --> 00:48:18.070
When I say Tony Khan's too fixated on the ratings,
1173
00:48:18.070 --> 00:48:23.570
it's like he only has faith in Mercedes and Tony. Yeah. And.
1174
00:48:24.030 --> 00:48:27.830
Tecla is not getting an honest opportunity to become that breakout star.
1175
00:48:28.050 --> 00:48:30.110
She's made it undeniable.
1176
00:48:30.570 --> 00:48:32.690
That's on her that she's done that.
1177
00:48:32.750 --> 00:48:33.750
It's not because of Tony.
1178
00:48:34.230 --> 00:48:36.150
No, I'm sorry. I still laugh.
1179
00:48:36.150 --> 00:48:39.350
I say in my head all the time, OK, but I was fired from Japan.
1180
00:48:39.690 --> 00:48:43.930
Girl is so funny and good and quick witted.
1181
00:48:44.490 --> 00:48:45.530
Push her.
1182
00:48:45.850 --> 00:48:48.870
Like you have another Tony Storm right there.
1183
00:48:49.290 --> 00:48:51.930
You have faith in her to put the belt on her.
1184
00:48:53.850 --> 00:48:54.970
Push her.
1185
00:48:58.750 --> 00:49:00.070
Eight bit bruchet,
1186
00:49:00.170 --> 00:49:02.010
A.W. may have more and better wrestling on their shows,
1187
00:49:02.030 --> 00:49:03.190
but we have the gingerbread.
1188
00:49:04.430 --> 00:49:07.050
Remember when someone told me that A.W.
1189
00:49:07.150 --> 00:49:08.990
was getting more carny by the day?
1190
00:49:10.210 --> 00:49:11.450
I do. I do.
1191
00:49:12.030 --> 00:49:15.770
Also, does anybody know what the gingerbread man thing was?
1192
00:49:15.770 --> 00:49:17.890
There was there was confused about it.
1193
00:49:18.290 --> 00:49:19.290
I don't really.
1194
00:49:19.290 --> 00:49:21.110
I don't really know.
1195
00:49:21.170 --> 00:49:24.770
It was like there was somebody dressed up as a gingerbread man
1196
00:49:24.770 --> 00:49:27.270
that got beat up by somebody on the show,
1197
00:49:27.270 --> 00:49:29.210
and then they had the funeral for the gingerbread man.
1198
00:49:29.510 --> 00:49:31.770
But apparently they used a ton of A.I.
1199
00:49:31.770 --> 00:49:35.590
art to like show pictures of the wrestlers with the gingerbread man
1200
00:49:35.590 --> 00:49:37.310
at like theme parks and all this stuff
1201
00:49:37.310 --> 00:49:39.550
because they were having a funeral for the gingerbread man.
1202
00:49:40.550 --> 00:49:42.090
Yeah, it's kind of weird.
1203
00:49:43.590 --> 00:49:45.330
Antoine makes a great point here because A.W.
1204
00:49:45.390 --> 00:49:47.810
is business to consumer instead of business to business,
1205
00:49:48.050 --> 00:49:50.570
meaning their sponsors aren't their first priority.
1206
00:49:51.050 --> 00:49:53.670
It means they answer to us, not the advertisers.
1207
00:49:53.870 --> 00:49:57.050
You literally do not matter as a WWE fan, 100 percent,
1208
00:49:58.270 --> 00:49:59.790
100 percent player line.
1209
00:49:59.790 --> 00:50:02.210
I think you'll find the WWE being bad in 2019
1210
00:50:02.210 --> 00:50:04.470
was actually Constable Corbin's fault.
1211
00:50:04.710 --> 00:50:07.270
That's why they fired him.
1212
00:50:08.570 --> 00:50:11.430
Tito says, Blade, I heard you say the other day that the other day,
1213
00:50:11.430 --> 00:50:13.510
and I did not believe it looked up that raw segment.
1214
00:50:13.510 --> 00:50:17.070
I cannot believe that was a thing they did in front of an entire stadium.
1215
00:50:17.230 --> 00:50:21.530
We know that we suck and the show's bad and you deserve better.
1216
00:50:22.030 --> 00:50:23.370
You're the authority now.
1217
00:50:23.470 --> 00:50:26.030
And then within like two months, they just went right back
1218
00:50:26.030 --> 00:50:29.710
to doing the same old shit like your your your Vince
1219
00:50:30.870 --> 00:50:33.030
McMahon impressions pretty spot on.
1220
00:50:33.310 --> 00:50:34.370
Yeah, I got it.
1221
00:50:34.410 --> 00:50:35.870
I sometimes get really worried.
1222
00:50:35.870 --> 00:50:36.870
I think he's in the room.
1223
00:50:36.870 --> 00:50:39.690
And then there's Paul McMahon.
1224
00:50:43.630 --> 00:50:46.230
Don't forget, the dead man shows up every now and then.
1225
00:50:49.610 --> 00:50:52.390
Vince made everything better for the pro wrestling world.
1226
00:50:54.370 --> 00:50:58.070
He gave me one more soul to do my podcast.
1227
00:50:59.890 --> 00:51:03.570
The Magataker, the Magat the Magataker.
1228
00:51:04.550 --> 00:51:07.030
I would say too many stat rematches.
1229
00:51:07.030 --> 00:51:09.810
He only seems to, which says a lot about the rest of the roster.
1230
00:51:09.810 --> 00:51:11.690
You have to trust your wrestlers and audience.
1231
00:51:11.850 --> 00:51:15.190
This is why I'm ecstatic that they are putting so much time
1232
00:51:15.190 --> 00:51:16.850
into making Willow the face of TNT.
1233
00:51:17.010 --> 00:51:18.570
Agreed. I mean, I think that is good.
1234
00:51:18.590 --> 00:51:23.010
And I think that ultimately they have a great women's division.
1235
00:51:23.390 --> 00:51:24.750
It's bursting with talent.
1236
00:51:24.810 --> 00:51:28.830
I think if you look at the brawling birds
1237
00:51:28.830 --> 00:51:31.930
and you look at the divine dominion,
1238
00:51:32.190 --> 00:51:35.250
you see that those titles are a way to build new stars,
1239
00:51:35.250 --> 00:51:38.490
because I think Alex Windsor means more to the roster
1240
00:51:38.490 --> 00:51:40.010
than she ever has right now.
1241
00:51:40.430 --> 00:51:43.630
I think Megan Bain, being with Lena Cross,
1242
00:51:44.190 --> 00:51:46.670
has an aura that's like if you see them in person,
1243
00:51:46.690 --> 00:51:48.490
you're just like, holy fucking shit.
1244
00:51:49.450 --> 00:51:52.410
Like unbelievable, unbelievable.
1245
00:51:52.890 --> 00:51:53.870
Tino Ibarra says,
1246
00:51:53.870 --> 00:51:56.170
All I know is that Ray Phoenix was at the funeral
1247
00:51:56.170 --> 00:51:58.590
for the gingerbread man, but can't get booked on the show.
1248
00:52:00.510 --> 00:52:02.730
Oh, man, it's such.
1249
00:52:03.850 --> 00:52:06.670
That's such such great humane treatment.
1250
00:52:07.670 --> 00:52:10.570
The next class of people, you know,
1251
00:52:12.170 --> 00:52:14.110
well, thankfully, he's out of prison.
1252
00:52:14.330 --> 00:52:16.390
You know what I mean? Thankfully, he's out of jail.
1253
00:52:17.690 --> 00:52:22.030
And again, not, you know, you if you like WWE,
1254
00:52:22.030 --> 00:52:25.110
you probably hate this podcast and I completely understand why.
1255
00:52:25.770 --> 00:52:28.930
It's really not for you, because I don't like WWE.
1256
00:52:29.010 --> 00:52:32.010
We also just were sitting on AEW now they booked.
1257
00:52:32.250 --> 00:52:35.490
Yeah. So basically, no one should like the podcast.
1258
00:52:36.090 --> 00:52:37.870
Yeah. Let's chase everybody away.
1259
00:52:39.650 --> 00:52:42.790
Let's let's just let's just get rid of all the all the listeners.
1260
00:52:43.670 --> 00:52:45.790
Work rate bros are my next category.
1261
00:52:46.290 --> 00:52:50.350
You may recognize these people as essentially the equivalent of hipsters.
1262
00:52:50.830 --> 00:52:54.370
Nothing can measure up to the hella obscure or old or foreign wrestling.
1263
00:52:54.830 --> 00:52:57.130
They watch they know more than you.
1264
00:52:57.170 --> 00:53:00.630
They understand match structure and storytelling better than you.
1265
00:53:00.930 --> 00:53:03.550
American wrestling is basic and ridiculous by their standards,
1266
00:53:03.550 --> 00:53:07.570
even like modern Japanese wrestling is basic and stupid by their standards.
1267
00:53:07.890 --> 00:53:10.050
They have never wrestled before themselves.
1268
00:53:10.050 --> 00:53:11.270
They've never been trained before.
1269
00:53:11.330 --> 00:53:13.790
Many of them are like in their early 20s.
1270
00:53:13.870 --> 00:53:16.710
They are to be ignored at all times.
1271
00:53:16.830 --> 00:53:18.070
They have nothing to contribute
1272
00:53:18.070 --> 00:53:21.670
except a snide sense of self-congratulatory fandom.
1273
00:53:22.830 --> 00:53:24.710
You know who that also sounds like?
1274
00:53:25.670 --> 00:53:27.630
Hmm. A little bit of like Meltzer.
1275
00:53:29.290 --> 00:53:30.610
Oh, big time. Yeah.
1276
00:53:30.630 --> 00:53:32.010
No, for sure. For sure.
1277
00:53:32.010 --> 00:53:34.710
Yeah. Dave does come across that way sometimes.
1278
00:53:35.130 --> 00:53:37.750
I would also say another guy.
1279
00:53:38.830 --> 00:53:43.230
And I it's a guy that like I see.
1280
00:53:43.890 --> 00:53:48.790
Some value in his his analysis and stuff,
1281
00:53:48.790 --> 00:53:51.810
but sometimes it just gets to be too much as David Bixen span.
1282
00:53:52.290 --> 00:53:55.730
He used to be he's on Blue Sky, but
1283
00:53:57.050 --> 00:54:01.850
he gets a little too far up his own ass about like wrestling.
1284
00:54:01.850 --> 00:54:04.790
And he comes across as that hipster,
1285
00:54:04.910 --> 00:54:06.870
like I know more than you, man, kind of thing.
1286
00:54:07.250 --> 00:54:10.690
The guy who likes all the bands you've never heard of,
1287
00:54:10.910 --> 00:54:14.050
who or some like French jazz band from the 40s
1288
00:54:14.050 --> 00:54:15.850
is his biggest influence or something.
1289
00:54:16.870 --> 00:54:18.630
And it's like, come on.
1290
00:54:18.990 --> 00:54:22.950
And like you sound like an asshole right now, you know.
1291
00:54:25.310 --> 00:54:26.890
Oh, you like Pearl Jam.
1292
00:54:27.070 --> 00:54:29.170
Have you heard of Oysters for Ontario?
1293
00:54:30.010 --> 00:54:30.950
Pop tape.
1294
00:54:31.330 --> 00:54:35.490
They are probably slightly more annoying than the offenders.
1295
00:54:36.970 --> 00:54:38.330
They can be no.
1296
00:54:38.450 --> 00:54:41.170
You can want to just crack them like a fucking egg.
1297
00:54:41.410 --> 00:54:46.450
I've had times where I feel I have fallen into Defender and.
1298
00:54:47.750 --> 00:54:50.430
We're great, bro. I've fallen into that a few times.
1299
00:54:50.890 --> 00:54:54.210
Well, like when people talk about
1300
00:54:54.210 --> 00:54:57.530
like just listen to somebody's shit talk,
1301
00:54:57.530 --> 00:54:59.070
Okada and Kenny to me.
1302
00:54:59.510 --> 00:55:01.810
And I become a work rate, bro, fast.
1303
00:55:02.130 --> 00:55:06.070
Oh, yeah, no, no, same, same, because I there was one person
1304
00:55:06.070 --> 00:55:08.870
I blocked the other day for their very stupid opinion
1305
00:55:09.470 --> 00:55:11.690
because I wasn't even going to do it.
1306
00:55:11.750 --> 00:55:12.850
Wasn't going to do it.
1307
00:55:13.070 --> 00:55:14.970
I don't. Yeah, I don't understand it.
1308
00:55:15.630 --> 00:55:17.930
Blair Lyons says I've never had a personally bad experience
1309
00:55:17.930 --> 00:55:19.870
with Bix and Spam, but he kind of insists upon himself.
1310
00:55:19.930 --> 00:55:21.390
That's exactly what I'm saying.
1311
00:55:21.910 --> 00:55:23.110
Like he's not a bad dude.
1312
00:55:23.410 --> 00:55:26.250
Like I have subscribed to his podcast.
1313
00:55:26.250 --> 00:55:28.810
I paid him money to listen to him talk about wrestling.
1314
00:55:29.550 --> 00:55:32.510
And I've learned a lot from him and Chris Zellner
1315
00:55:32.510 --> 00:55:33.790
at Between the Sheets podcast.
1316
00:55:33.910 --> 00:55:36.330
They have a great podcast, but.
1317
00:55:36.810 --> 00:55:40.110
Just sometimes it's just like David, shut up, shut up
1318
00:55:40.610 --> 00:55:42.150
in the sheets at a nicely brothers.
1319
00:55:42.670 --> 00:55:45.150
Oh, hey, hey, you know, it's a very what?
1320
00:55:45.310 --> 00:55:47.270
Very well, I'm trying to find this person.
1321
00:55:48.090 --> 00:55:49.130
I read download.
1322
00:55:49.350 --> 00:55:52.030
I redownloaded Blue Sky, which I don't know why.
1323
00:55:52.210 --> 00:55:54.210
Wow, you completely gave up, did you?
1324
00:55:54.210 --> 00:55:57.370
I, I, every time I go on to Blue Sky, there's drama
1325
00:55:57.370 --> 00:56:00.630
and I just want to leave Antoine.
1326
00:56:00.830 --> 00:56:02.770
Oh, Antoine's given it back to us a little bit.
1327
00:56:02.770 --> 00:56:04.390
He says, hey, hey, leave Dave out of it.
1328
00:56:04.470 --> 00:56:06.830
Can we give him the love he deserves before he's gone?
1329
00:56:06.950 --> 00:56:09.350
No one has dedicated their time more like him and books
1330
00:56:09.350 --> 00:56:10.770
he has known as a buckskinny guy.
1331
00:56:11.010 --> 00:56:12.250
And they go to him.
1332
00:56:12.370 --> 00:56:14.650
I know we love Dave.
1333
00:56:14.830 --> 00:56:17.270
I, I honestly think I like Dave,
1334
00:56:17.270 --> 00:56:21.730
but I don't like how he treats women and the way
1335
00:56:21.730 --> 00:56:23.970
he talks about women's wrestling is very uneven.
1336
00:56:24.210 --> 00:56:25.470
I agree with that.
1337
00:56:25.970 --> 00:56:28.650
That that's my biggest issue with Dave Meltzer is how he
1338
00:56:29.290 --> 00:56:34.430
he holds this want this time in wrestling for women.
1339
00:56:36.150 --> 00:56:39.190
And he has not really moved on from it
1340
00:56:39.190 --> 00:56:42.010
while he has learned to grow with the men's division.
1341
00:56:42.330 --> 00:56:43.010
And it right.
1342
00:56:43.950 --> 00:56:46.570
It that's the only thing that really bothers me.
1343
00:56:49.250 --> 00:56:53.160
Because no, I agree.
1344
00:56:53.200 --> 00:56:56.560
I mean, I think that, you know, all Japan women's
1345
00:56:56.580 --> 00:56:59.520
is the gold standard that he's always comparing all women's
1346
00:56:59.520 --> 00:57:02.980
wrestling to, you know, and that would be like if Dave
1347
00:57:02.980 --> 00:57:07.540
had the gold standard was all Japan men's
1348
00:57:07.540 --> 00:57:11.500
wrestling from the nineties, the style Kings Road,
1349
00:57:11.660 --> 00:57:13.160
where they're the Eddie Kingston loves,
1350
00:57:13.220 --> 00:57:16.100
where they're dropping people on their fucking head all the time
1351
00:57:16.100 --> 00:57:18.820
and fucking Masawa died in the fucking ring
1352
00:57:18.820 --> 00:57:21.820
because he literally decapitated himself
1353
00:57:21.820 --> 00:57:25.460
taking a move without his head actually falling off.
1354
00:57:25.460 --> 00:57:28.320
Like he broke his neck that bad.
1355
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:32.280
But Dave doesn't hold everything to those that standard.
1356
00:57:32.300 --> 00:57:33.380
Like he doesn't.
1357
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:35.080
He praised it at the time.
1358
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:36.960
But he evolved with wrestling in the men's.
1359
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.280
He hasn't with women's.
1360
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:39.660
And it is a double standard.
1361
00:57:40.120 --> 00:57:42.800
I love Dave Meltzer as a historian, especially.
1362
00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:45.200
He is extremely knowledgeable.
1363
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:47.500
He is one of the very, very like.
1364
00:57:48.780 --> 00:57:50.920
When people say who's a wrestling journalist,
1365
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:55.440
like a real wrestling journalist, my grand qualification
1366
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:56.280
is really simple.
1367
00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:59.480
Do they issue a correction when they're wrong?
1368
00:57:59.860 --> 00:58:01.440
Because that's what a real journalist does.
1369
00:58:01.680 --> 00:58:02.740
Dave does do that.
1370
00:58:03.020 --> 00:58:05.180
Yeah, no, I have respect for Dave as a journalist,
1371
00:58:05.220 --> 00:58:07.720
as an historian, just not so much when it comes.
1372
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.500
I don't listen to his women's.
1373
00:58:10.500 --> 00:58:11.360
No, I wouldn't either.
1374
00:58:11.640 --> 00:58:13.020
Is that that's and that's about it.
1375
00:58:13.040 --> 00:58:14.160
I don't like.
1376
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:16.780
I just think he's very unfair with women.
1377
00:58:18.080 --> 00:58:20.700
So like Dave has always been a bright part of dark side
1378
00:58:20.700 --> 00:58:22.820
as much as I hate to say this, the brightest spot
1379
00:58:22.820 --> 00:58:24.880
of dark side of the ring sometimes because he brings
1380
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.980
a perspective of knowing what was going on at the time.
1381
00:58:27.980 --> 00:58:30.560
Yes. And and having a lot of different connections
1382
00:58:30.560 --> 00:58:32.750
who can vouch for where he's coming from.
1383
00:58:33.580 --> 00:58:36.920
Dave's been more right in things that he has said
1384
00:58:37.600 --> 00:58:38.760
than he hasn't been.
1385
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:41.480
So I don't. If Dave says something,
1386
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:44.840
I'm more likely to agree to believe him.
1387
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:48.040
Especially when when Sean Ross
1388
00:58:48.040 --> 00:58:49.560
now also says something similar.
1389
00:58:50.500 --> 00:58:51.020
Right. Right.
1390
00:58:51.180 --> 00:58:54.620
Well, and like Sean Fightful got that whole scoop about Evil's
1391
00:58:54.620 --> 00:58:56.500
new name wrong the other day.
1392
00:58:56.660 --> 00:58:58.380
Right. Like they were wrong,
1393
00:58:58.600 --> 00:59:00.560
but I didn't see them issue a correction.
1394
00:59:01.700 --> 00:59:03.140
No, they really don't.
1395
00:59:03.260 --> 00:59:04.520
They just moved on.
1396
00:59:05.060 --> 00:59:07.160
That's not that's not journalism.
1397
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:08.880
And I like my book.
1398
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:12.800
What culture to issue some corrections that I've bothered them
1399
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:16.420
on their pages about where I'm like, where's your correction on this?
1400
00:59:16.780 --> 00:59:20.120
Like you posted this an hour ago and it's already been proven false.
1401
00:59:20.720 --> 00:59:22.220
Where's where's the correction?
1402
00:59:23.300 --> 00:59:26.640
Benny, the Bear 77, the Nardwar of wrestling is Bix for sure.
1403
00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:28.020
Yes. I mean, like.
1404
00:59:28.940 --> 00:59:31.180
Yeah, it's just like sometimes it's just like Dave.
1405
00:59:31.180 --> 00:59:32.100
Dave, shut up, man.
1406
00:59:32.420 --> 00:59:36.060
But like you get that annoying little brother vibe from him.
1407
00:59:36.060 --> 00:59:38.900
Sometimes it's just like legal. Yeah.
1408
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:41.260
Missed my little brother anyway.
1409
00:59:42.220 --> 00:59:43.020
Blair line.
1410
00:59:43.060 --> 00:59:45.640
I swear they still use the six stars in the Tokyo Dome line
1411
00:59:45.640 --> 00:59:47.600
when we don't listen to what he thinks about wrestling anymore.
1412
00:59:48.060 --> 00:59:49.220
Yeah, Dave is a historian.
1413
00:59:49.340 --> 00:59:50.760
I'm all about Dave.
1414
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.520
Breaking news and stuff is not really his lane anymore.
1415
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:55.720
And the six stars thing in the Tokyo Dome.
1416
00:59:57.260 --> 00:59:58.240
I don't know.
1417
00:59:58.500 --> 01:00:02.540
OK, the more so the next category is the more list,
1418
01:00:02.600 --> 01:00:05.980
and I think a lot of the people who listen to this show, myself included,
1419
01:00:06.560 --> 01:00:07.720
I listen to this show.
1420
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.460
I also have to listen to this show,
1421
01:00:10.460 --> 01:00:12.300
and sometimes that isn't as fun as you would think.
1422
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.500
This is probably my number one toxic trait
1423
01:00:18.160 --> 01:00:20.580
is I can be kind of judgey
1424
01:00:20.580 --> 01:00:25.500
sometimes about people who support things that I don't think are good.
1425
01:00:25.820 --> 01:00:30.220
These people never quit watching the promotion on some kind of moral basis.
1426
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.100
Right. For me, it was WWE.
1427
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:35.080
There are about a dozen reasons why, and that's totally fine.
1428
01:00:36.060 --> 01:00:38.120
The problem with the moralist argument, though,
1429
01:00:38.120 --> 01:00:41.860
is when they start shitting on others for failing to take the same action as them.
1430
01:00:42.560 --> 01:00:47.740
The truth is, the truth is that even though WWE is cozyed up to Trump,
1431
01:00:48.640 --> 01:00:50.900
even though they have an active relationship with Saudi Arabia,
1432
01:00:51.060 --> 01:00:52.460
run Saudi Arabian propaganda,
1433
01:00:53.520 --> 01:00:55.980
not all people who watch WWE are mega.
1434
01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:57.560
OK, it's just not true.
1435
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:00.380
They simply aren't drawing the same line
1436
01:01:00.380 --> 01:01:03.240
that I did or you did or whoever did. Right.
1437
01:01:03.600 --> 01:01:05.140
That line isn't in the same place.
1438
01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:07.860
And as we become connected globally more,
1439
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.360
it's increasingly obvious that no form of entertainment.
1440
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:13.340
I am somebody who spent a lot of time in the entertainment business.
1441
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:18.140
It's not made exclusively by good people. Nothing is. Right.
1442
01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:21.520
It's doubly so with pro wrestling, I would say.
1443
01:01:21.520 --> 01:01:23.520
It's a hustler's business. All right.
1444
01:01:23.660 --> 01:01:26.800
There's no such thing as an unproblematic wrestling promotion.
1445
01:01:27.780 --> 01:01:31.200
And what I would say is like, there's always the possibility
1446
01:01:31.200 --> 01:01:34.440
you could find out something about your favorite promotion or wrestler
1447
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:39.140
that you put on this pedestal now, and that will change everything. Right.
1448
01:01:39.140 --> 01:01:42.820
It's happened enough times now that none of us should be so sure
1449
01:01:42.820 --> 01:01:44.120
that we're back in the good guys.
1450
01:01:44.560 --> 01:01:46.240
OK, we just like what we like.
1451
01:01:48.340 --> 01:01:50.600
And my biggest thing
1452
01:01:50.600 --> 01:01:54.560
is no matter what you stand on or how you stand on it,
1453
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:57.100
you will always make an exception
1454
01:01:57.860 --> 01:02:01.780
or be easier on the people you like better. Mm hmm.
1455
01:02:02.160 --> 01:02:04.360
It's just everybody's got their faves.
1456
01:02:04.820 --> 01:02:07.680
I sell as much as I don't like Chris Jericho the person.
1457
01:02:07.680 --> 01:02:09.820
I still celebrated him coming back.
1458
01:02:09.940 --> 01:02:12.800
Yeah, like when I've also been told I've been on a moral high ground
1459
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:16.580
multiple times that I what I call W.W.E. out for.
1460
01:02:16.940 --> 01:02:17.940
So, I mean,
1461
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:20.280
here's the thing.
1462
01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:23.960
You can like and celebrate Chris Jericho coming back.
1463
01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:24.740
I did it last night.
1464
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:27.240
I'll admit I'm behind on A.W. right now.
1465
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:29.520
Personal life fucks things up. OK.
1466
01:02:29.620 --> 01:02:31.440
So I saw Jericho's return last night.
1467
01:02:31.580 --> 01:02:32.480
What was I doing?
1468
01:02:32.560 --> 01:02:33.460
I was bobbing my head.
1469
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:35.540
I was singing along and I went, what the hell just happened?
1470
01:02:37.020 --> 01:02:38.980
And I was like, OK, he's back.
1471
01:02:38.980 --> 01:02:44.140
Fine. That doesn't mean we can't call out Chris Irvine and his wife.
1472
01:02:45.460 --> 01:02:46.340
Or things they've done.
1473
01:02:46.980 --> 01:02:48.860
The character and the person are two separate.
1474
01:02:49.060 --> 01:02:51.620
And I get people made that argument with Hogan, but I'm like,
1475
01:02:52.140 --> 01:02:53.840
part of his at a certain point.
1476
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:56.340
I can't do that with with that person.
1477
01:02:56.660 --> 01:02:58.540
They went to part of his gimmick.
1478
01:02:58.640 --> 01:03:01.660
I feel like I mean, they I mean, yeah.
1479
01:03:02.340 --> 01:03:04.140
I want to see this is the part where it makes it hard
1480
01:03:04.140 --> 01:03:05.220
as a black wrestling fan.
1481
01:03:05.220 --> 01:03:07.520
You know, many wrestlers who are just trying to get a paycheck
1482
01:03:07.520 --> 01:03:11.260
and keep their values, which WWE is making harder and harder for them.
1483
01:03:11.740 --> 01:03:12.260
Totally.
1484
01:03:12.980 --> 01:03:15.560
And also, you know, I that is something.
1485
01:03:15.560 --> 01:03:17.420
And I have done this in the past.
1486
01:03:17.540 --> 01:03:20.380
And I've really had to like think about this long and hard.
1487
01:03:21.240 --> 01:03:24.780
How many bosses have I had that I took a paycheck from
1488
01:03:24.780 --> 01:03:28.100
that were morally reprehensible scumbags?
1489
01:03:29.500 --> 01:03:33.140
Several. Yeah, I've worked for people that I disdain
1490
01:03:34.100 --> 01:03:35.100
many times.
1491
01:03:35.860 --> 01:03:40.200
And you guys wouldn't have liked to meet, you know, but I needed the money.
1492
01:03:41.040 --> 01:03:42.860
That's true of wrestlers as well.
1493
01:03:43.120 --> 01:03:46.100
You know, so the people working
1494
01:03:46.620 --> 01:03:50.900
for a promotion you don't like or whatever, I'm not against the wrestlers.
1495
01:03:51.940 --> 01:03:53.940
Like, I'm against the people running the promotion.
1496
01:03:54.080 --> 01:03:56.580
You know, that's what I'm against.
1497
01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:00.580
It's a fine line.
1498
01:04:00.580 --> 01:04:04.600
And it's we
1499
01:04:04.600 --> 01:04:08.060
I had the realization, giving the field I work in, given
1500
01:04:08.060 --> 01:04:12.100
like the type of, you know, big company I'm in.
1501
01:04:12.120 --> 01:04:15.720
And I'm just like, I can't shit on some of these WWE wrestlers
1502
01:04:15.720 --> 01:04:19.400
like a Becky or a Sammy, who I think have.
1503
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.640
Very good moral compasses, but continue to work there.
1504
01:04:26.700 --> 01:04:27.780
And it's a paycheck.
1505
01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:28.980
It's a work rate thing.
1506
01:04:29.380 --> 01:04:32.430
They're they're comfortable there.
1507
01:04:33.450 --> 01:04:35.410
And it is what it is.
1508
01:04:35.650 --> 01:04:36.730
Yeah, yeah.
1509
01:04:36.890 --> 01:04:37.470
It's a brush.
1510
01:04:37.590 --> 01:04:40.530
I've had to block people I used to interact with regularly on Blue Sky
1511
01:04:40.530 --> 01:04:45.310
purely because they harass people for not taking his same boycott stance on WWE.
1512
01:04:45.950 --> 01:04:47.790
I feel the same way.
1513
01:04:48.210 --> 01:04:50.150
That's why I'm not on Blue Sky.
1514
01:04:50.210 --> 01:04:53.510
Like not not all WWE fans are this.
1515
01:04:53.570 --> 01:04:55.410
Not all AEW fans are this.
1516
01:04:55.730 --> 01:04:56.370
You know what I mean?
1517
01:04:56.610 --> 01:04:58.350
As much as we've meandered through this.
1518
01:04:58.350 --> 01:04:59.350
That is my point.
1519
01:04:59.970 --> 01:05:03.830
There is this one time where we all wrestling fans all came together because
1520
01:05:04.970 --> 01:05:07.150
when, you know, the
1521
01:05:07.150 --> 01:05:10.270
AEW fuck ice chance became very big and became national news
1522
01:05:10.270 --> 01:05:14.310
and everyone's having this shock Pikachu phase that wrestling fans are
1523
01:05:15.710 --> 01:05:20.270
over, I'm not more than half lean this like lean left
1524
01:05:20.830 --> 01:05:22.010
and they're all shocked.
1525
01:05:22.130 --> 01:05:26.550
It's like the one thing WWE WWE fans and AEW fans can agree on is,
1526
01:05:26.550 --> 01:05:28.930
no, we don't agree what's happening in this country.
1527
01:05:29.630 --> 01:05:32.930
So that to me was like, OK, like.
1528
01:05:32.950 --> 01:05:36.110
As much as I think that they should give this company up because
1529
01:05:37.130 --> 01:05:40.830
morally, I can't do it because of this, I have to understand.
1530
01:05:42.410 --> 01:05:44.070
There's reasons why they're still watching.
1531
01:05:45.630 --> 01:05:49.710
Yeah. And can't hate on them for that, because I mean,
1532
01:05:50.330 --> 01:05:53.710
I'm watching a company funded by a billionaire, so
1533
01:05:57.010 --> 01:06:00.090
yeah, always never said, yeah, I don't usually separate art from artists
1534
01:06:00.090 --> 01:06:00.910
until they die.
1535
01:06:01.210 --> 01:06:03.350
It's every day is a compromise on what I will let bother me
1536
01:06:03.350 --> 01:06:04.950
as I try to be entertained and survive.
1537
01:06:05.050 --> 01:06:06.530
Fuck Jericho and his dude, Hager.
1538
01:06:06.670 --> 01:06:09.430
But I also make caveats for someone like Bobby Lashley
1539
01:06:09.430 --> 01:06:11.390
that has said things that make me look sideways
1540
01:06:11.870 --> 01:06:13.470
about his good friend, Donald Trump.
1541
01:06:13.750 --> 01:06:17.390
Yeah, I know. Yeah, same.
1542
01:06:18.790 --> 01:06:21.910
But I, you know, again, I don't know his reasons for it.
1543
01:06:21.990 --> 01:06:23.650
You know, he hasn't said what his reasons are.
1544
01:06:23.650 --> 01:06:26.030
So it's.
1545
01:06:26.290 --> 01:06:30.370
I don't understand why anyone supports Donald Trump, but they do.
1546
01:06:30.990 --> 01:06:32.270
They do that.
1547
01:06:32.390 --> 01:06:33.750
I'm not even going to get into that one.
1548
01:06:33.770 --> 01:06:35.710
But as far as the more wrestling,
1549
01:06:36.810 --> 01:06:39.450
I think a lot of it boils down to two things.
1550
01:06:40.110 --> 01:06:41.190
One, it's familiarity.
1551
01:06:43.030 --> 01:06:45.230
It's what they know. They know the people working there.
1552
01:06:45.230 --> 01:06:46.950
They know the wrestlers, they know the style.
1553
01:06:47.490 --> 01:06:50.510
They don't have to put any time into learning new people.
1554
01:06:51.670 --> 01:06:53.750
The other part is nostalgia.
1555
01:06:54.430 --> 01:06:56.390
They grew up with it from a little kid.
1556
01:06:57.390 --> 01:06:59.710
It's the thing that they've that's always brought them joy.
1557
01:06:59.810 --> 01:07:02.810
So they're like, yeah, I know there might be shit
1558
01:07:02.810 --> 01:07:04.990
going on behind the scenes, but I still like it.
1559
01:07:04.990 --> 01:07:06.710
I still want to watch it.
1560
01:07:07.050 --> 01:07:10.290
Which is why I have friends on Facebook who continue to watch.
1561
01:07:10.770 --> 01:07:14.690
And internally, I'm going, I can't believe that you could say stuff
1562
01:07:14.690 --> 01:07:18.330
be like pro-abortion, which is health care and this and that.
1563
01:07:18.330 --> 01:07:20.090
But you're watching that.
1564
01:07:20.750 --> 01:07:22.310
But I also don't know your reasons why.
1565
01:07:22.970 --> 01:07:27.530
So I'm not going to say anything because who am I to jump on somebody
1566
01:07:27.530 --> 01:07:29.230
for not doing what I've done?
1567
01:07:30.330 --> 01:07:31.490
I have my own reasons.
1568
01:07:31.570 --> 01:07:32.770
They have theirs.
1569
01:07:33.170 --> 01:07:34.370
No. Oh, my God.
1570
01:07:34.510 --> 01:07:35.090
I'm saying something.
1571
01:07:35.470 --> 01:07:36.930
All the reasons have to be the same.
1572
01:07:38.250 --> 01:07:41.070
They have their reasons that they have, and I have their reasons.
1573
01:07:41.770 --> 01:07:43.890
I have my reasons and they have my reasons.
1574
01:07:45.230 --> 01:07:48.010
I have one caveat, and I just thought about this.
1575
01:07:48.330 --> 01:07:52.230
I will forever call you out, though, if you on your profile
1576
01:07:52.230 --> 01:07:56.610
are completely anti Trump, but support a certain wrestler
1577
01:07:56.610 --> 01:08:00.650
that's in the WWE who is being accused of very similar things.
1578
01:08:00.690 --> 01:08:02.790
Oh, no, there's Vince McMahon.
1579
01:08:03.130 --> 01:08:06.070
I don't understand how you can.
1580
01:08:06.130 --> 01:08:09.090
And that's my hard line where I will block you immediately.
1581
01:08:09.170 --> 01:08:12.670
If you could support and oh, yeah,
1582
01:08:12.950 --> 01:08:16.630
Vince and that other person, but hate Trump for what he's done.
1583
01:08:17.149 --> 01:08:17.729
Mm hmm.
1584
01:08:18.050 --> 01:08:20.010
No, you'll get called out and put on blast.
1585
01:08:21.630 --> 01:08:24.790
I had to stop myself seeing people going,
1586
01:08:25.410 --> 01:08:26.910
oh, it's his last match is going to retire.
1587
01:08:26.950 --> 01:08:31.130
This is so sad from jumping on them and going exactly where the fuck
1588
01:08:31.130 --> 01:08:32.649
did your brain stop working?
1589
01:08:34.330 --> 01:08:35.569
Like, where's the short circuit?
1590
01:08:35.590 --> 01:08:37.310
Because you need to see somebody about that.
1591
01:08:37.310 --> 01:08:38.790
I was like, I can't know.
1592
01:08:38.790 --> 01:08:40.050
Very line therapy.
1593
01:08:40.910 --> 01:08:41.729
Your line says.
1594
01:08:42.710 --> 01:08:45.350
I will admit, I was bored scrolling on Netflix the other day,
1595
01:08:45.350 --> 01:08:48.950
so I checked in on WWE and genuinely kind of did not recognize it as a wrestling
1596
01:08:48.950 --> 01:08:51.250
show, since I've not watched in years.
1597
01:08:51.430 --> 01:08:53.470
There is so little wrestling to me.
1598
01:08:53.470 --> 01:08:57.790
I got diagnosed with epilepsy since I started watching, since I stopped watching.
1599
01:08:58.109 --> 01:09:01.010
When I see clips of WWE, I start to feel weird.
1600
01:09:01.069 --> 01:09:04.630
Like it kind of makes me feel a little nauseous,
1601
01:09:04.710 --> 01:09:08.790
like there's so much lighting going on and so much shit going on
1602
01:09:08.790 --> 01:09:12.870
that it's like it's it's a sensory barrage.
1603
01:09:13.430 --> 01:09:15.170
It's it's a sensory barrage.
1604
01:09:15.750 --> 01:09:17.729
You're not the first person I've heard say that.
1605
01:09:18.130 --> 01:09:21.729
Yeah, and I've seen others mention it was weird because like I didn't even
1606
01:09:21.729 --> 01:09:24.250
consciously think about that while I was seeing it.
1607
01:09:24.250 --> 01:09:28.029
But I'm like, God damn, dude, it's like being in a weird fucking arcade
1608
01:09:28.590 --> 01:09:31.970
and there's these wrestlers in it or something.
1609
01:09:32.090 --> 01:09:33.550
I don't know. It's weird.
1610
01:09:34.149 --> 01:09:36.970
Blair Lyon also says, I try not to be super moral on the high horse,
1611
01:09:37.109 --> 01:09:40.350
but it's very hard to shit up when WWE fans will find their ad break
1612
01:09:40.350 --> 01:09:41.590
ad breaks immoral.
1613
01:09:41.770 --> 01:09:44.910
But we're totally fine with sex crimes, abuse, blood money, propaganda, etc.
1614
01:09:45.529 --> 01:09:45.970
Yeah.
1615
01:09:46.910 --> 01:09:50.490
I mean, look, the the the hypocrisy is going to always be
1616
01:09:50.490 --> 01:09:53.609
staggering in those instances, you know.
1617
01:09:54.010 --> 01:09:55.670
See a book. Yeah.
1618
01:09:56.050 --> 01:09:58.030
Sorry about it, brother.
1619
01:09:58.170 --> 01:09:59.210
Tell me about it.
1620
01:09:59.210 --> 01:10:02.190
So, bro, I can't handle the camera work from a storytelling perspective.
1621
01:10:02.330 --> 01:10:03.510
It's usually horrible.
1622
01:10:06.150 --> 01:10:08.870
OK, last last thing on the fan stuff,
1623
01:10:08.950 --> 01:10:10.230
then we're going to get to something else.
1624
01:10:11.110 --> 01:10:13.710
The love all wrestling people. Yeah.
1625
01:10:14.390 --> 01:10:16.950
Lastly, we have the people who say we should love all wrestling.
1626
01:10:17.430 --> 01:10:19.130
Their point seems to be that wrestling is the same,
1627
01:10:19.210 --> 01:10:20.830
no matter whose logo we're cheering for.
1628
01:10:21.130 --> 01:10:21.810
They are wrong.
1629
01:10:22.250 --> 01:10:23.890
I like what I like. I have my reasons.
1630
01:10:23.990 --> 01:10:27.710
Maybe I don't have a reason, but it's my fucking decision. Right.
1631
01:10:28.610 --> 01:10:31.370
And some, similarly to the work rate bros,
1632
01:10:31.510 --> 01:10:33.750
think that if you only watch one promotion,
1633
01:10:33.870 --> 01:10:36.130
your opinion about wrestling is somehow less valid
1634
01:10:36.130 --> 01:10:39.190
or you're not doing enough for the wrestling business
1635
01:10:39.190 --> 01:10:41.430
by only supporting one promotion.
1636
01:10:41.950 --> 01:10:43.570
And again, that is wrong.
1637
01:10:43.570 --> 01:10:47.450
If you watch any wrestling, especially on a weekly basis,
1638
01:10:47.830 --> 01:10:50.030
you are doing a lot for wrestling.
1639
01:10:50.590 --> 01:10:54.270
That's who you are, who they who who makes the wrestling go around.
1640
01:10:54.870 --> 01:10:57.510
If you watch any wrestling on a weekly basis,
1641
01:10:57.770 --> 01:11:00.350
you are not obligated to watch 15 hours of wrestling a week.
1642
01:11:00.350 --> 01:11:03.910
I can't, you know, like I watch AEW live.
1643
01:11:03.950 --> 01:11:07.150
That's the only thing that I routinely watch live.
1644
01:11:07.550 --> 01:11:10.450
And then I get to everything else as I can.
1645
01:11:10.570 --> 01:11:12.810
And I and I make an honest attempt to.
1646
01:11:13.610 --> 01:11:16.310
But. There's not enough hours in the day.
1647
01:11:16.470 --> 01:11:20.350
Right. I'm an adult and I have a job to do.
1648
01:11:21.330 --> 01:11:22.950
I have books I need to read.
1649
01:11:23.430 --> 01:11:26.290
I mean, your name alone says that they should understand.
1650
01:11:26.930 --> 01:11:29.450
It's just these are the same people will tell you love all wrestling,
1651
01:11:29.570 --> 01:11:30.290
love all wrestling.
1652
01:11:31.310 --> 01:11:34.370
But then turn around and gatekeep if you're like, well,
1653
01:11:34.490 --> 01:11:36.010
I just go to my local indie shows.
1654
01:11:36.010 --> 01:11:37.610
I don't really watch anything on TV like that.
1655
01:11:37.610 --> 01:11:39.570
You're not a real fan. It's like, well, well,
1656
01:11:39.570 --> 01:11:41.350
I'm going to argue they're one of the more real fans
1657
01:11:41.350 --> 01:11:42.670
because they're supporting an indie show.
1658
01:11:43.270 --> 01:11:46.790
And who knows if that little indie show doesn't have the next
1659
01:11:47.450 --> 01:11:50.270
megastar going to AEW or wherever or New Japan.
1660
01:11:50.730 --> 01:11:51.930
We have no idea.
1661
01:11:52.190 --> 01:11:53.270
So don't gatekeep.
1662
01:11:53.550 --> 01:11:55.270
It's the same shit that I find in the horror community.
1663
01:11:55.270 --> 01:11:57.490
And I hate to keep relating it to this, but it's the same thing.
1664
01:11:57.510 --> 01:11:58.270
That's your domain.
1665
01:11:58.410 --> 01:12:00.730
Oh, you don't watch all of this kind of stuff.
1666
01:12:00.730 --> 01:12:04.790
You haven't seen all the August Underground films, but no, I haven't.
1667
01:12:04.790 --> 01:12:06.410
Because I can't see every movie out there.
1668
01:12:06.430 --> 01:12:08.910
Just like I can't watch all the wrestling that's out there.
1669
01:12:09.470 --> 01:12:12.370
Right. It's you're no less arresting them at all.
1670
01:12:12.370 --> 01:12:15.990
But if you don't, if you don't watch it all, it's you're not.
1671
01:12:16.090 --> 01:12:17.210
You're not a part of the community.
1672
01:12:17.710 --> 01:12:20.990
It's kind of why I started calling myself an AEW fan as opposed to.
1673
01:12:21.910 --> 01:12:24.390
Wrestling, because there are a lot of people like that,
1674
01:12:24.390 --> 01:12:25.650
and I can be guilty of it.
1675
01:12:25.670 --> 01:12:29.470
I just I think that if you're going to put like pro wrestling nerd
1676
01:12:29.470 --> 01:12:33.270
but be a WWE only fan, I don't really think that matches up.
1677
01:12:34.750 --> 01:12:36.650
I think that you're.
1678
01:12:37.870 --> 01:12:40.430
A WWE nerd, but like,
1679
01:12:40.630 --> 01:12:43.250
especially if you're going to root for another company to go out of business,
1680
01:12:43.490 --> 01:12:44.370
I don't know.
1681
01:12:44.670 --> 01:12:47.250
Meanwhile, I don't want WWE to go out of business.
1682
01:12:47.310 --> 01:12:48.610
I want them to get better.
1683
01:12:48.670 --> 01:12:50.350
I want them to make better choices.
1684
01:12:50.970 --> 01:12:54.150
I want them to put a better product out there.
1685
01:12:54.430 --> 01:12:55.030
Mm hmm.
1686
01:12:56.970 --> 01:12:58.650
Larry Lyons says punks groveling.
1687
01:12:58.710 --> 01:13:00.070
I hadn't had my coffee that morning.
1688
01:13:00.170 --> 01:13:03.670
Absolutely confirmed to me that he had absolutely zero integrity
1689
01:13:03.670 --> 01:13:04.850
left in his life.
1690
01:13:05.050 --> 01:13:05.970
Completely agree.
1691
01:13:05.970 --> 01:13:09.490
Larry Lyon also says WWE is literally like flashy lights
1692
01:13:09.490 --> 01:13:11.710
waving shiny keys and no substance.
1693
01:13:11.730 --> 01:13:15.570
It is basically a wrestling themed show with a subway surfer's video underneath
1694
01:13:16.310 --> 01:13:20.430
the Tobaro cutting before impacts and for no reason that moves the action along.
1695
01:13:21.070 --> 01:13:24.130
Yes. A bit brusher before I fully haven't done.
1696
01:13:24.250 --> 01:13:25.510
What's that?
1697
01:13:25.670 --> 01:13:26.870
Didn't they get rid of Kevin Dunn?
1698
01:13:26.930 --> 01:13:27.750
Kevin Dunn resigned.
1699
01:13:27.770 --> 01:13:29.230
They've kept all his shitty camera.
1700
01:13:30.050 --> 01:13:33.970
Now, though, if you see like if I see clips, they use those 8K cameras.
1701
01:13:35.530 --> 01:13:37.050
So I hate that.
1702
01:13:37.250 --> 01:13:38.390
I don't actually like that look.
1703
01:13:38.470 --> 01:13:40.610
I'm glad they don't do it on Dynamite, but even start.
1704
01:13:40.710 --> 01:13:43.710
I'm starting to do it on entrances with the 8K
1705
01:13:43.710 --> 01:13:46.410
where the super wide, blurry background.
1706
01:13:46.650 --> 01:13:49.250
It's like, whoa, like it's kind of freaky.
1707
01:13:50.650 --> 01:13:52.750
It looks like a video game to me and I absolutely hate it.
1708
01:13:52.750 --> 01:13:55.650
I'm like, I didn't tune in to see this pristine
1709
01:13:55.650 --> 01:13:57.470
polished video game cinematic.
1710
01:13:57.590 --> 01:14:00.850
I just want to watch a wrestling match. Mm hmm.
1711
01:14:00.990 --> 01:14:03.950
And besides, most people aren't going to understand
1712
01:14:03.950 --> 01:14:06.390
4K, they're not going to be able to visually see the difference.
1713
01:14:06.690 --> 01:14:09.470
It's going to look like blurry background, super clear person up front.
1714
01:14:09.470 --> 01:14:10.630
Mm hmm.
1715
01:14:11.030 --> 01:14:15.450
Antoine Wilson says, yeah, you are and makes you make sure we continue to do it.
1716
01:14:15.450 --> 01:14:17.930
I'm just the one who had started New Japan, Mary Golden, etc.
1717
01:14:17.970 --> 01:14:18.730
Not enough hours.
1718
01:14:19.070 --> 01:14:20.350
I'm usually multitasking.
1719
01:14:20.810 --> 01:14:23.370
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of wrestling that I have on
1720
01:14:23.370 --> 01:14:24.250
while I'm doing other shit.
1721
01:14:24.410 --> 01:14:28.250
I mean, like I can't sit there and just, ah, you know, like,
1722
01:14:28.270 --> 01:14:30.590
what is that clockwork orange like rare?
1723
01:14:30.770 --> 01:14:32.810
You know, like I can't do that.
1724
01:14:32.810 --> 01:14:34.950
Tino Ibarra, you're not getting up at the butt crack of dawn
1725
01:14:34.950 --> 01:14:38.050
to watch NJPW Blade poser. Hey.
1726
01:14:39.370 --> 01:14:41.290
I know Antoine Bookseed.
1727
01:14:41.310 --> 01:14:42.970
Did you find any books that were banned?
1728
01:14:43.670 --> 01:14:47.990
Not this trip, but I do have a whole shelf of fan books.
1729
01:14:48.290 --> 01:14:51.050
If you don't know who the first Wrestling Society X champion was,
1730
01:14:51.090 --> 01:14:52.550
are you even a wrestling fan?
1731
01:14:53.210 --> 01:14:54.190
No. Was it?
1732
01:14:54.190 --> 01:14:55.210
Who was it? Vampiro?
1733
01:14:55.570 --> 01:14:56.310
Was it Vampiro?
1734
01:14:57.210 --> 01:14:59.910
You know, I didn't know what Wrestling Society X was until just a couple of years ago.
1735
01:15:00.010 --> 01:15:01.070
Yeah, yeah, I didn't.
1736
01:15:01.070 --> 01:15:03.690
I wasn't watching wrestling at the time that Wrestling Society.
1737
01:15:04.030 --> 01:15:05.850
I don't know. I don't know what it is.
1738
01:15:05.850 --> 01:15:07.830
So I guess I'm not. It was a show on MTV
1739
01:15:08.990 --> 01:15:11.730
where they had a bunch of people wrestling
1740
01:15:11.730 --> 01:15:14.090
in different gimmicks and their actual wrestling gimmicks.
1741
01:15:14.090 --> 01:15:16.230
I think Xbox was on it.
1742
01:15:17.030 --> 01:15:21.970
So so like the the Masked Singer show, but for wrestling.
1743
01:15:23.770 --> 01:15:25.630
Yeah, I think so.
1744
01:15:26.270 --> 01:15:28.670
Um, Antoine says, Dan Blairland, that was an excellent point.
1745
01:15:28.710 --> 01:15:29.870
Those people are the absolute worst.
1746
01:15:29.870 --> 01:15:33.050
If you cannot recognize one Spain, then not all lives matter or blue lives
1747
01:15:33.050 --> 01:15:35.130
matter sickening that.
1748
01:15:35.410 --> 01:15:37.790
Yes, all all love all wrestling people.
1749
01:15:37.790 --> 01:15:41.290
We are literally likening you to blue lives matter people.
1750
01:15:41.290 --> 01:15:44.910
Yeah, you are that far down on the fucking scale.
1751
01:15:45.170 --> 01:15:47.190
I mean, not wrong.
1752
01:15:47.410 --> 01:15:48.930
I mean, let's look at it this way.
1753
01:15:49.070 --> 01:15:50.550
When people tell me love all wrestling
1754
01:15:50.550 --> 01:15:53.510
and there's a person that says all lives matter, I look at them both
1755
01:15:53.510 --> 01:15:55.030
the same way. Yeah, yeah.
1756
01:15:55.370 --> 01:15:57.510
And I'm like. Fuck, no.
1757
01:15:57.910 --> 01:15:59.070
Yes, I was right.
1758
01:15:59.070 --> 01:16:00.590
It was Vampiro.
1759
01:16:00.950 --> 01:16:03.810
He was. Can we can we stop letting him be right?
1760
01:16:04.710 --> 01:16:06.790
Yes, yes, yes.
1761
01:16:08.110 --> 01:16:09.230
All right.
1762
01:16:09.350 --> 01:16:12.190
OK, last comment, and then we're going to move on.
1763
01:16:12.270 --> 01:16:14.330
Scared Glow says overproduced wrestling is like listening
1764
01:16:14.330 --> 01:16:16.750
to overproduced misfits or overproduced horror movies.
1765
01:16:16.890 --> 01:16:18.310
It kills any edge you may have.
1766
01:16:18.590 --> 01:16:23.830
Yeah. Well, like when the misfits, when Glenn Glenn Danzig left the misfits
1767
01:16:23.830 --> 01:16:27.970
and he overdub new instrumental tracks over all the original tracks
1768
01:16:27.970 --> 01:16:30.710
so that he didn't have to pay any of them royalties.
1769
01:16:31.250 --> 01:16:32.250
You listen to those albums.
1770
01:16:32.470 --> 01:16:36.410
They sound like crazy demos that don't make any sense.
1771
01:16:37.190 --> 01:16:40.210
And they had to re-release them
1772
01:16:41.310 --> 01:16:43.030
with the original tracks on them later.
1773
01:16:43.050 --> 01:16:44.170
And they're much better albums.
1774
01:16:44.470 --> 01:16:47.150
Tino Ibarra, hey, if your style is that distinct, people will still know
1775
01:16:47.150 --> 01:16:48.370
it's you no matter the gimmick.
1776
01:16:48.590 --> 01:16:51.810
Just ask lucha legend Irma Gonzalez.
1777
01:16:52.130 --> 01:16:52.750
I don't know.
1778
01:16:53.210 --> 01:16:55.770
So my thesis at the end of all of this, folks,
1779
01:16:56.210 --> 01:16:57.310
the wrestling is supposed to be fun.
1780
01:16:57.310 --> 01:16:59.150
We don't and we won't like the same things.
1781
01:16:59.170 --> 01:17:02.130
But most of what happens in wrestling isn't that deep.
1782
01:17:02.410 --> 01:17:05.890
Really? It means a lot to us, of course, but especially if you're Americans.
1783
01:17:05.890 --> 01:17:09.130
When you look at the world around us, I think we'd all be a bit dishonest
1784
01:17:09.130 --> 01:17:12.510
if we said we weren't taking out some of that anxiety and anger
1785
01:17:12.510 --> 01:17:13.670
in the wrestling space.
1786
01:17:14.090 --> 01:17:15.590
Don't go hunting for conflict.
1787
01:17:15.730 --> 01:17:16.590
It's a dick move.
1788
01:17:16.830 --> 01:17:18.270
Don't go creating conflict.
1789
01:17:18.270 --> 01:17:23.470
It is totally fine as well to block everybody that you disagree with
1790
01:17:23.470 --> 01:17:26.950
and live in a complete echo chamber if it's about pro wrestling.
1791
01:17:27.730 --> 01:17:29.230
OK, you don't have to follow anybody.
1792
01:17:29.350 --> 01:17:30.190
You don't want to.
1793
01:17:30.390 --> 01:17:33.880
It's not going to expand your mode of thinking, probably at all.
1794
01:17:34.510 --> 01:17:36.470
Just live in a fucking echo chamber about wrestling,
1795
01:17:36.650 --> 01:17:38.310
not about other things, but about wrestling.
1796
01:17:38.530 --> 01:17:39.750
Yeah, who cares?
1797
01:17:40.050 --> 01:17:43.050
You only want to interact with people you agree with about wrestling.
1798
01:17:43.270 --> 01:17:44.290
That's no problem.
1799
01:17:44.550 --> 01:17:46.750
You know why? It's because it's fucking wrestling.
1800
01:17:48.090 --> 01:17:50.310
There's so much negativity in the world already.
1801
01:17:50.370 --> 01:17:54.250
Why do we have to ruin the things that are meant to be fun?
1802
01:17:54.910 --> 01:17:57.010
The end. Oh,
1803
01:17:59.430 --> 01:18:01.410
who's the books and body slams?
1804
01:18:01.550 --> 01:18:02.510
I feel called out.
1805
01:18:02.610 --> 01:18:03.830
I like looking for conflict.
1806
01:18:06.290 --> 01:18:08.050
So the guest,
1807
01:18:09.890 --> 01:18:14.010
the guest on the show is is in the chat.
1808
01:18:14.330 --> 01:18:16.750
Let me have my fun, OK?
1809
01:18:17.290 --> 01:18:21.090
Arguing with is to the thing is, when you do that books,
1810
01:18:21.450 --> 01:18:23.490
you are armed and ready for it.
1811
01:18:23.490 --> 01:18:25.310
Yeah. Yes. Other people do it.
1812
01:18:25.310 --> 01:18:26.690
They don't have a plan.
1813
01:18:26.930 --> 01:18:28.470
They're just hoping the other person will back down.
1814
01:18:28.470 --> 01:18:30.430
And you're like, oh, I've got I've got facts.
1815
01:18:30.470 --> 01:18:31.930
I got receipts. What do you want?
1816
01:18:34.150 --> 01:18:37.110
A bit bruchet is not about wrestling society acts.
1817
01:18:37.130 --> 01:18:38.130
It wasn't like math singer.
1818
01:18:38.170 --> 01:18:40.730
It was like a normal wrestling promotion with math and storylines.
1819
01:18:41.170 --> 01:18:42.890
But it was musical breaks like SNL.
1820
01:18:42.990 --> 01:18:44.930
It's where I first saw Matt Cross, son of Havoc.
1821
01:18:45.730 --> 01:18:47.590
I'm going to have to look this up.
1822
01:18:47.990 --> 01:18:51.010
I'm I'm intrigued, but not intrigued all at the same time.
1823
01:18:51.970 --> 01:18:54.330
I tell a bit bruchet
1824
01:18:55.710 --> 01:18:59.210
literally says, I tell people to block liberally, even if it means blocking me.
1825
01:18:59.210 --> 01:19:02.770
Look, I have a thing on the blue sky that tells me every time I get blocked,
1826
01:19:02.870 --> 01:19:05.190
I get blocked like
1827
01:19:05.870 --> 01:19:07.570
more than once a day.
1828
01:19:07.570 --> 01:19:12.810
Like I get blocked regularly and I'm not even on blue sky that much.
1829
01:19:12.830 --> 01:19:14.650
Like I haven't been getting blocked.
1830
01:19:16.010 --> 01:19:19.010
I because you fucking deactivated your account.
1831
01:19:19.090 --> 01:19:19.870
What are you talking about?
1832
01:19:19.870 --> 01:19:24.550
It's active because I went on to see some of the drama that was happening last week.
1833
01:19:25.670 --> 01:19:27.850
All right. So books, you went to dynamite this week, right?
1834
01:19:28.070 --> 01:19:28.570
I did.
1835
01:19:30.730 --> 01:19:32.890
And what were the highlights for you?
1836
01:19:32.930 --> 01:19:35.730
What was there anything off screen that we missed?
1837
01:19:36.930 --> 01:19:40.130
I it's very hard to tell because I don't know one other than when they
1838
01:19:40.130 --> 01:19:42.270
Justin Roberts comes out and tells you our commercial break.
1839
01:19:42.990 --> 01:19:44.710
You don't know when you're at commercial break
1840
01:19:44.710 --> 01:19:49.470
and I don't go back and rewatch the shows because I have a fear of seeing myself in the.
1841
01:19:49.470 --> 01:19:50.690
Oh, OK.
1842
01:19:52.070 --> 01:19:52.810
The TV.
1843
01:19:54.390 --> 01:19:56.610
I will say, and this is going to sound weird.
1844
01:19:57.590 --> 01:19:59.390
I loved the opening match.
1845
01:19:59.570 --> 01:20:00.410
I love the tag match.
1846
01:20:00.510 --> 01:20:02.130
I thought it was so frigging great.
1847
01:20:03.510 --> 01:20:05.410
My issue is in match like that.
1848
01:20:05.450 --> 01:20:07.730
They don't get the entrances enough time to breathe.
1849
01:20:10.390 --> 01:20:13.710
Like I think they need to switch cage and copes entrances.
1850
01:20:14.970 --> 01:20:16.090
Cope should have gone last.
1851
01:20:16.470 --> 01:20:16.750
Cope.
1852
01:20:16.970 --> 01:20:17.490
Yeah.
1853
01:20:17.490 --> 01:20:18.310
Um.
1854
01:20:20.330 --> 01:20:22.770
Because while I cope is.
1855
01:20:25.030 --> 01:20:28.890
Like Asheville, like he even though he's not from Asheville, he loves Asheville.
1856
01:20:29.010 --> 01:20:29.910
That is his home now.
1857
01:20:30.050 --> 01:20:32.350
Like no one was really there to see FTR.
1858
01:20:32.910 --> 01:20:34.590
Everyone was there to see Cope.
1859
01:20:35.030 --> 01:20:37.770
So I kind of like that was probably my biggest issue.
1860
01:20:40.050 --> 01:20:44.950
You don't realize how fast Will Ospreay is until you see him in person
1861
01:20:44.950 --> 01:20:48.650
and it looked like and you're just like, what the fuck is happening here?
1862
01:20:48.870 --> 01:20:51.010
Like that man was like moving so quick around the ring.
1863
01:20:51.010 --> 01:20:53.730
I was like, I don't think I ever realized how quick he was.
1864
01:20:53.790 --> 01:20:57.490
Now Hardy hits the ropes and stuff like to get the kind of like
1865
01:20:58.210 --> 01:21:00.570
propulsion that he needs to do the stuff that he does.
1866
01:21:02.110 --> 01:21:04.310
Our dark match was Sting Jr.
1867
01:21:06.090 --> 01:21:07.610
Sting Jr. is very attractive.
1868
01:21:08.070 --> 01:21:09.490
I he's like 23.
1869
01:21:09.490 --> 01:21:10.230
I don't care.
1870
01:21:10.670 --> 01:21:12.910
I was very surprised at how cute he was.
1871
01:21:14.230 --> 01:21:16.430
I think he's actually really good in ring.
1872
01:21:17.350 --> 01:21:21.550
I don't I'm really hoping that he starts getting on TV because he's actually surprisingly
1873
01:21:21.550 --> 01:21:24.670
like not surprisingly given who his father is.
1874
01:21:24.670 --> 01:21:26.040
He's very good in ring.
1875
01:21:29.910 --> 01:21:33.080
I got to catch just slutty pins and part in person are.
1876
01:21:34.710 --> 01:21:35.370
Something to behold.
1877
01:21:35.690 --> 01:21:36.190
Amazing.
1878
01:21:37.030 --> 01:21:39.350
How do we feel about the Owen Hart Cup?
1879
01:21:40.270 --> 01:21:43.430
I still haven't really looked at it because they only put them briefly on the screen.
1880
01:21:45.790 --> 01:21:49.170
So I just know there's a lot of chatter around it.
1881
01:21:49.590 --> 01:21:50.550
Well, I would say so.
1882
01:21:50.590 --> 01:21:53.210
The men's side looks a little predictable to me.
1883
01:21:53.570 --> 01:21:59.950
You got Will Osprey over here and swerve directly across, you know.
1884
01:22:00.890 --> 01:22:08.770
So it's swerve versus Bandito, Will Osprey versus Mark Davis versus Jack Perry.
1885
01:22:12.190 --> 01:22:14.870
And somebody else who's not going to go very far.
1886
01:22:14.870 --> 01:22:19.070
So like it looks like it's going to come down to swerve and Osprey.
1887
01:22:19.130 --> 01:22:21.850
I mean, that seems like the obvious conclusion.
1888
01:22:21.850 --> 01:22:26.390
Well, and Osprey winning because the next pay-per-view after that is in Wembley.
1889
01:22:27.270 --> 01:22:32.350
Well, and also Osprey and swerve first fought at Forbidden Door two years ago.
1890
01:22:32.690 --> 01:22:35.490
So, you know, it's kind of there's a poetry to the whole thing.
1891
01:22:35.850 --> 01:22:37.930
Yeah, that that feels like the direction.
1892
01:22:38.010 --> 01:22:39.170
Oh, it's Brody King.
1893
01:22:40.230 --> 01:22:44.490
So if Bandito somehow beat swerve, which he I don't think he will.
1894
01:22:44.910 --> 01:22:48.110
There's a chance he could face Brody King, which I thought would be super cool.
1895
01:22:48.290 --> 01:22:51.150
How awesome would it be to see Bandito versus Brody King?
1896
01:22:51.610 --> 01:22:53.630
It would be great, but I don't think they're doing that yet.
1897
01:22:53.910 --> 01:22:55.690
They're definitely not doing it yet.
1898
01:22:55.750 --> 01:22:57.030
They're not going to do that yet.
1899
01:22:57.910 --> 01:22:58.090
Okay.
1900
01:22:58.210 --> 01:22:59.990
Oh, it's Will Osprey versus Samoa Joe.
1901
01:23:01.330 --> 01:23:03.750
Yeah, Will Osprey is definitely beating Samoa Joe.
1902
01:23:04.210 --> 01:23:05.630
Mark Davis versus Jack Perry.
1903
01:23:06.770 --> 01:23:08.890
I still want to see Samoa Joe do the walk away spot.
1904
01:23:08.950 --> 01:23:10.310
When Osprey goes to hit a sky twist.
1905
01:23:10.390 --> 01:23:11.150
Oh, for sure.
1906
01:23:11.230 --> 01:23:11.770
For sure.
1907
01:23:12.030 --> 01:23:13.510
Yeah, you know that's coming.
1908
01:23:14.050 --> 01:23:16.350
Will doesn't need that kind of trauma.
1909
01:23:16.590 --> 01:23:18.050
He just came back.
1910
01:23:18.310 --> 01:23:19.990
Larry Lyon says, can we call Steve Jr.
1911
01:23:20.270 --> 01:23:22.930
micro tight to micro tight?
1912
01:23:23.170 --> 01:23:26.310
Yes, minimum, since that's the small species of scorpions.
1913
01:23:27.910 --> 01:23:29.530
Yeah, that's mouthful.
1914
01:23:30.450 --> 01:23:32.210
That's no, it's also a funny word.
1915
01:23:32.490 --> 01:23:34.550
So maybe Eminem.
1916
01:23:36.530 --> 01:23:38.230
I just kept calling him Sting Jr.
1917
01:23:38.690 --> 01:23:39.910
Yeah, or Sting Jr.
1918
01:23:40.030 --> 01:23:43.130
Or or or like, ouch, darn.
1919
01:23:43.790 --> 01:23:45.190
Then you got that crappy
1920
01:23:46.250 --> 01:23:48.010
Ace Austin and Will Osprey match.
1921
01:23:48.050 --> 01:23:50.010
Oh, it was just dog shit.
1922
01:23:50.210 --> 01:23:50.410
Awful.
1923
01:23:51.150 --> 01:23:53.170
None of the matches live were awful.
1924
01:23:53.870 --> 01:23:55.690
Learn how to work, you guys.
1925
01:23:55.930 --> 01:23:56.290
You know what I mean?
1926
01:23:56.990 --> 01:24:01.690
I have yet to get there, but I have not hated any match.
1927
01:24:01.910 --> 01:24:03.650
Ace Austin has been in since coming to AEW.
1928
01:24:03.730 --> 01:24:05.630
Ace Austin's real good.
1929
01:24:07.170 --> 01:24:10.730
He doesn't look like a real person with he's got tree trunks.
1930
01:24:11.010 --> 01:24:11.230
I know.
1931
01:24:11.230 --> 01:24:13.470
And he's deep squatting people.
1932
01:24:13.650 --> 01:24:15.130
I'm like, what is it?
1933
01:24:15.310 --> 01:24:15.830
What?
1934
01:24:16.030 --> 01:24:17.130
He's not very tall.
1935
01:24:17.250 --> 01:24:20.050
And I'm like, you're lifting people that bigger guys aren't able to lift.
1936
01:24:20.090 --> 01:24:20.710
What's happening?
1937
01:24:20.790 --> 01:24:21.510
Yeah, right.
1938
01:24:21.570 --> 01:24:22.890
You're like five foot three.
1939
01:24:22.890 --> 01:24:26.130
And you're like fucking pressing dudes over 400 pounds.
1940
01:24:26.550 --> 01:24:30.610
Yeah, it's he's really, really, really, really good.
1941
01:24:30.750 --> 01:24:32.870
And him versus Will Osprey was fucking phenomenal.
1942
01:24:33.750 --> 01:24:35.210
I thought, how are they going to top this?
1943
01:24:35.210 --> 01:24:37.470
And then you get to cash to versus Darby.
1944
01:24:38.830 --> 01:24:39.730
Darby Allen.
1945
01:24:42.910 --> 01:24:46.170
No, there's a lot of recency bias in what I'm about to say, but he's having
1946
01:24:46.170 --> 01:24:48.950
what may be my favorite AEW men's world title.
1947
01:24:49.930 --> 01:24:52.990
He's he's been a true fighting champion and I love that.
1948
01:24:53.090 --> 01:24:55.190
He's not just saying he's a fighting champion.
1949
01:24:55.470 --> 01:24:59.430
He is out there every week and I fucking love it because I sometimes
1950
01:24:59.430 --> 01:25:03.770
so I have an issue where I don't think the world title is ever defended enough.
1951
01:25:06.630 --> 01:25:08.350
So same with the women.
1952
01:25:08.990 --> 01:25:12.330
So I love that Darby wants to be out there all the time.
1953
01:25:13.450 --> 01:25:14.050
Yeah.
1954
01:25:14.230 --> 01:25:15.510
Well, and that was the thing.
1955
01:25:16.150 --> 01:25:21.190
So the speaking of the women, the women's bracket got announced as well.
1956
01:25:21.810 --> 01:25:26.130
And this one blew me away because it went very international.
1957
01:25:27.030 --> 01:25:29.650
And I was happy about that.
1958
01:25:29.970 --> 01:25:30.350
Yeah.
1959
01:25:30.370 --> 01:25:33.170
On the left side of the bracket, you have Persephone and Hazuki
1960
01:25:33.170 --> 01:25:35.870
from our Hazuki from Stardom.
1961
01:25:37.310 --> 01:25:39.450
Very cool to see some Stardom talent in this bitch.
1962
01:25:40.030 --> 01:25:42.790
And you also have Willow Nightingale versus Alex Windsor,
1963
01:25:42.790 --> 01:25:44.590
which that's going to be a fucking great match.
1964
01:25:44.590 --> 01:25:46.070
And that's happening at doubly or nothing.
1965
01:25:46.810 --> 01:25:50.310
Then on the right side, you got Mina Shirakawa versus Athena.
1966
01:25:50.630 --> 01:25:52.310
That's going to fucking rule.
1967
01:25:53.350 --> 01:25:56.810
And then you get sky blue versus sorry, who is like
1968
01:25:58.090 --> 01:26:00.870
one of the greatest female wrestlers in the world.
1969
01:26:00.870 --> 01:26:02.990
The Japanese Indy God.
1970
01:26:03.490 --> 01:26:04.790
I mean, she's incredible.
1971
01:26:06.310 --> 01:26:08.730
And holy fucking shit.
1972
01:26:08.730 --> 01:26:11.430
I am so excited for that bracket.
1973
01:26:11.850 --> 01:26:13.450
That's the kind of shit I want to see.
1974
01:26:13.710 --> 01:26:17.330
I love seeing the the Forbidden Door open a little bit
1975
01:26:17.330 --> 01:26:19.730
and not just at that show, you know?
1976
01:26:20.290 --> 01:26:20.830
Yeah.
1977
01:26:21.650 --> 01:26:26.550
Well, I have a theory why it's going very international.
1978
01:26:26.650 --> 01:26:30.710
Forbidden Door at the end of the women's match,
1979
01:26:31.070 --> 01:26:34.350
they really lined them up like they're setting for
1980
01:26:35.210 --> 01:26:37.350
either an anarchy in the arena
1981
01:26:37.910 --> 01:26:43.270
or some type of brawl match between both groups of women right now.
1982
01:26:43.550 --> 01:26:48.170
So it would make sense to not have a ton of these women in the wind right now
1983
01:26:48.890 --> 01:26:55.170
because they're clearly gearing up for something very big with these groups of women.
1984
01:26:55.650 --> 01:26:58.090
Immediately, I saw that I was like,
1985
01:26:58.150 --> 01:27:00.450
soon as Willow came out, as soon as Mina came out,
1986
01:27:00.670 --> 01:27:07.910
I was like they are setting Group A, Group B up very soon.
1987
01:27:07.910 --> 01:27:10.730
I don't know if it's Double or Nothing or Forbidden Door or what,
1988
01:27:10.790 --> 01:27:13.650
but they are setting these groups of women up.
1989
01:27:13.910 --> 01:27:16.950
Too Fat to Cook says Darby might be defending the title now,
1990
01:27:17.110 --> 01:27:19.170
like currently, just as we take it.
1991
01:27:19.170 --> 01:27:19.730
You never know.
1992
01:27:19.770 --> 01:27:20.490
He might be.
1993
01:27:20.490 --> 01:27:23.490
He might be just defending it in his backyard in a skate park.
1994
01:27:23.750 --> 01:27:24.270
You never know.
1995
01:27:24.830 --> 01:27:25.570
Double or nothing.
1996
01:27:25.870 --> 01:27:26.730
Here's what we know.
1997
01:27:27.270 --> 01:27:30.610
Pear versus AEW Men's World Title, MJF versus Darby Allen.
1998
01:27:31.370 --> 01:27:33.410
AEW Women's World Title four-way match,
1999
01:27:33.590 --> 01:27:37.590
Hikaru Shida versus Jamie Hayter versus Chris Statlander versus Tecla.
2000
01:27:38.630 --> 01:27:44.410
AEW Men's World Tag Title, iQuit match, Cope and Cage versus FTR.
2001
01:27:45.790 --> 01:27:49.670
AEW International Title, Kenosuke Takeshita versus Kazuchika Okada,
2002
01:27:49.810 --> 01:27:51.850
maybe the match I'm most looking forward to.
2003
01:27:53.130 --> 01:27:56.070
Stadium Stampede, Cherico, Jack Perry, Kenny,
2004
01:27:56.250 --> 01:28:01.250
Bucks, Shelton Lashley versus The Demand, Mark Davis,
2005
01:28:02.310 --> 01:28:04.730
David Finley, Clark Connors, and Andrade.
2006
01:28:05.410 --> 01:28:07.110
This is the match I'm looking forward to.
2007
01:28:07.110 --> 01:28:10.830
I think people have been groaning about the Jericho thing.
2008
01:28:11.090 --> 01:28:12.670
It's going to be a total blast.
2009
01:28:13.670 --> 01:28:17.030
Like the first Stadium Stampede is what got me into AEW.
2010
01:28:17.110 --> 01:28:20.050
I watched that and I was fucking in for all.
2011
01:28:20.210 --> 01:28:23.230
There was no way they weren't going to do a second Stadium Stampede
2012
01:28:23.810 --> 01:28:29.210
without four of the founding Stadium Stampede members.
2013
01:28:30.250 --> 01:28:32.430
Cherico has the ability in those Stadium Stampede matches
2014
01:28:32.430 --> 01:28:35.210
to say stuff that is so goddamn ridiculous.
2015
01:28:35.210 --> 01:28:38.870
It was just like, oh, I'm going to hit you with this, you son of a bitch.
2016
01:28:39.970 --> 01:28:42.250
You should put a mic on him the whole time.
2017
01:28:42.310 --> 01:28:47.230
Oh, I remember when they had the ref in the football field
2018
01:28:47.230 --> 01:28:50.090
drawing the line and it drew it right over a guy.
2019
01:28:50.250 --> 01:28:51.710
It's like a Looney Tune.
2020
01:28:52.830 --> 01:28:58.710
It's so much fun when Hangman and who was it?
2021
01:28:58.790 --> 01:28:59.910
Who brawled in the bar?
2022
01:29:01.790 --> 01:29:03.870
No, it was Hangman and Jake Hager.
2023
01:29:03.870 --> 01:29:07.370
Yeah, and then at the end Omega has the milk
2024
01:29:07.370 --> 01:29:09.190
and Hangman has the whiskey or whatever.
2025
01:29:09.630 --> 01:29:11.990
I just want to know who's going to get run over in a golf court
2026
01:29:11.990 --> 01:29:16.550
or chased by, I guess there's no Hangman to chase someone down in a horse this year.
2027
01:29:17.030 --> 01:29:18.130
Well, they could still have a horse.
2028
01:29:18.170 --> 01:29:19.510
Maybe that's how Hangman comes back.
2029
01:29:19.570 --> 01:29:20.050
You never know.
2030
01:29:22.890 --> 01:29:23.850
So we have that.
2031
01:29:23.850 --> 01:29:25.230
I think it's going to drastically outperform
2032
01:29:25.230 --> 01:29:27.190
and I think them having seven people on each side
2033
01:29:27.190 --> 01:29:31.630
just makes it's less about Jericho than it was before.
2034
01:29:31.630 --> 01:29:33.950
And to me, that's kind of a draw.
2035
01:29:34.050 --> 01:29:34.770
That's a good thing.
2036
01:29:35.190 --> 01:29:37.810
And I think putting Kenny in the box in there makes it more.
2037
01:29:38.190 --> 01:29:41.370
Oh, well, and those guys, you know, they're going to put some awesome together.
2038
01:29:41.370 --> 01:29:43.690
You know, for the Owen Hart Tournament match,
2039
01:29:43.830 --> 01:29:47.250
we have Willow versus Alex Windsor for an Owen Hart Tournament match.
2040
01:29:47.390 --> 01:29:48.970
We have Will Ospreay versus Samoa Joe.
2041
01:29:48.990 --> 01:29:51.190
And then for the another Owen Hart Tournament match,
2042
01:29:51.470 --> 01:29:54.430
we have Swerve Strickland versus some nobody named Bandito.
2043
01:29:55.250 --> 01:29:56.170
Oh, shit.
2044
01:29:56.690 --> 01:29:57.590
That's quite a show.
2045
01:29:58.730 --> 01:30:00.670
Yeah, I do hope we get
2046
01:30:03.170 --> 01:30:06.590
um, a woman's tag, even if it's in.
2047
01:30:07.210 --> 01:30:09.350
I want to find Dominion on the buy in.
2048
01:30:09.490 --> 01:30:12.070
Yeah, I want to find Dominion on this show.
2049
01:30:12.810 --> 01:30:15.670
They got both of the brawling birds on the main show
2050
01:30:15.670 --> 01:30:18.850
in separate matches, but still I like that.
2051
01:30:18.850 --> 01:30:20.450
They're kind of doing that same.
2052
01:30:20.530 --> 01:30:21.910
The same thing they're doing with Speedball,
2053
01:30:21.910 --> 01:30:23.990
where it's like speed or jet speed,
2054
01:30:24.030 --> 01:30:25.010
where it's like they're a tag team,
2055
01:30:25.010 --> 01:30:26.430
but they also go out to single titles.
2056
01:30:26.790 --> 01:30:29.070
You know, you're kind of like a mini, mini,
2057
01:30:29.150 --> 01:30:30.590
mini like faction almost.
2058
01:30:31.830 --> 01:30:39.790
I'm assuming we'll have Kevin Knight maybe on the buy in.
2059
01:30:40.150 --> 01:30:40.390
Yeah.
2060
01:30:40.470 --> 01:30:42.910
Or he might end up on the main show still.
2061
01:30:43.170 --> 01:30:47.090
I he's the champion and Tony Khan is in love with this man.
2062
01:30:47.270 --> 01:30:49.770
Like he wants to make love to Kevin Knight.
2063
01:30:49.990 --> 01:30:50.430
Absolutely.
2064
01:30:50.950 --> 01:30:54.990
Don't don't we all have like seeing him.
2065
01:30:54.990 --> 01:30:56.530
I mean, when you see him in person,
2066
01:30:56.530 --> 01:30:57.970
it's like he's incredible.
2067
01:30:59.170 --> 01:31:03.370
I give him I give him like a like a really.
2068
01:31:07.390 --> 01:31:08.770
Blurry Line 7 makes a great point.
2069
01:31:08.890 --> 01:31:11.510
It's been a while since we had a true nonsense match from A.W.
2070
01:31:11.550 --> 01:31:12.250
It has.
2071
01:31:12.450 --> 01:31:14.150
And I think it's I think it's time.
2072
01:31:14.210 --> 01:31:17.150
I think A.W. used to have a little more of a sense of humor
2073
01:31:17.150 --> 01:31:18.050
than it does now.
2074
01:31:18.250 --> 01:31:20.850
And I'm not saying that it's a super big deal,
2075
01:31:20.870 --> 01:31:23.610
but like that bald segment that they did with MJF
2076
01:31:23.610 --> 01:31:24.690
at the beginning of the show,
2077
01:31:25.330 --> 01:31:26.870
that felt like A.W.
2078
01:31:27.110 --> 01:31:29.270
An A.W. we haven't seen for a long time.
2079
01:31:29.310 --> 01:31:29.670
Yeah.
2080
01:31:29.690 --> 01:31:33.150
Where all the people he's seeing are bald and oh, it's so good.
2081
01:31:34.170 --> 01:31:36.710
Every once in a while you eat a little wackiness in your wrestling.
2082
01:31:36.710 --> 01:31:37.410
You do.
2083
01:31:37.590 --> 01:31:38.910
You need wackiness.
2084
01:31:39.390 --> 01:31:42.410
Wrestling should be a healthy mix of like.
2085
01:31:42.490 --> 01:31:45.490
Wrestling and goofiness, like without goofiness,
2086
01:31:45.490 --> 01:31:47.290
wrestling, I don't think really works well
2087
01:31:47.290 --> 01:31:50.150
because you have to suspend disbelief.
2088
01:31:53.190 --> 01:31:53.590
Yeah.
2089
01:31:55.470 --> 01:31:57.250
8Bit Bruchet says I've got a bounce,
2090
01:31:57.270 --> 01:31:59.670
but I just had to give some love to my favorite faction
2091
01:31:59.670 --> 01:32:01.870
of all time, our trio's champs, the conglomeration
2092
01:32:02.410 --> 01:32:04.790
and Too Fat to Cook says Mick Foley can bring the goofy.
2093
01:32:05.130 --> 01:32:05.570
Absolutely.
2094
01:32:05.570 --> 01:32:08.350
And with that, I got to agree with 8Bit Bruchet.
2095
01:32:08.410 --> 01:32:09.430
Folks, it's time to bounce.
2096
01:32:09.470 --> 01:32:10.390
We got to get out of here.
2097
01:32:10.770 --> 01:32:13.750
But I do want to thank you all for joining us.
2098
01:32:13.950 --> 01:32:15.250
Ring of Honor is about to come on
2099
01:32:15.250 --> 01:32:16.610
and I'm going to go watch that shit.
2100
01:32:16.870 --> 01:32:18.710
And then I'm going to mix this shit super late
2101
01:32:18.710 --> 01:32:19.890
because I want to watch Ring of Honor.
2102
01:32:20.990 --> 01:32:23.810
But books, they can find you at books and body slams
2103
01:32:23.810 --> 01:32:27.870
on Instagram, on threads, on blue sky.
2104
01:32:27.970 --> 01:32:30.350
You never check it, but you know,
2105
01:32:30.450 --> 01:32:34.490
basically those are the kind of main points of contact.
2106
01:32:34.490 --> 01:32:36.630
Skewered universe podcast.
2107
01:32:36.790 --> 01:32:37.430
Check it out.
2108
01:32:37.430 --> 01:32:38.750
Jeff is the host.
2109
01:32:39.490 --> 01:32:40.710
It's all about horror movies.
2110
01:32:40.930 --> 01:32:46.150
They just recently talked about the long overlooked sequel
2111
01:32:46.150 --> 01:32:50.310
shock treatment to Rocky Horror that I listened to with Pippin.
2112
01:32:50.690 --> 01:32:51.610
It was great.
2113
01:32:52.210 --> 01:32:54.610
You guys always have a really interesting perspective on horror.
2114
01:32:54.830 --> 01:32:55.350
I love it.
2115
01:32:55.930 --> 01:32:58.870
Skewered underscore universe underscore podcast.
2116
01:32:59.450 --> 01:33:00.970
Find him on Instagram.
2117
01:33:01.110 --> 01:33:02.410
Find him on threads.
2118
01:33:02.510 --> 01:33:03.810
Find him on.
2119
01:33:03.810 --> 01:33:08.150
It's just skewered universe dot blue sky dot social on blue sky.
2120
01:33:08.550 --> 01:33:10.410
Yeah, just just search for skewered universe.
2121
01:33:10.450 --> 01:33:11.290
I'm the only one there.
2122
01:33:11.330 --> 01:33:13.810
If you find another one, if you find another one, they'll let me know.
2123
01:33:14.170 --> 01:33:16.130
Yeah, if you if you get mixed up with the other skewered universe.
2124
01:33:16.290 --> 01:33:18.150
Yeah, that's Texas death.
2125
01:33:18.290 --> 01:33:19.450
Yes, Texas death.
2126
01:33:20.070 --> 01:33:20.470
Okay.
2127
01:33:20.730 --> 01:33:21.530
You guys stay here.
2128
01:33:21.590 --> 01:33:23.590
I'm going to cut us out till next time.
2129
01:33:23.790 --> 01:33:24.790
I play daily.
2130
01:33:24.990 --> 01:33:26.730
I'm books and body slams.
2131
01:33:27.350 --> 01:33:27.790
I'm Jeff.
2132
01:33:28.250 --> 01:33:30.090
Pro Wrestling forever.
