Pro Wrestling Forever Ep. 04

May 20

Battle Royals, Briefcases, Tournaments & Title Shots

For decades, pro wrestling has relied on special match stipulations to instantly create stars and define championship contenders. From the chaos of the Royal Rumble and the opportunism of Money in the Bank to the prestige-driven structures of the G1 Climax and the Owen Hart Foundation Tournament, these matches are designed to feel monumental. On the latest episode of Pro Wrestling Forever, Professor Degree and Blade Daily ask a difficult question: do these concepts still work the way they used to? Modern wrestling often narrows the field of believable winners so dramatically that fans can predict outcomes weeks before the bell rings, potentially draining the suspense from matches that are supposed to feel career-changing.

The conversation digs into which stipulations still carry genuine excitement and which ones may have become overly familiar booking shortcuts. Degree and Daily explore how promotions like AEW, WWE, and NJPW approach these matches differently, why certain tournaments still feel prestigious despite predictable outcomes, and whether wrestling has lost the art of creating surprise contenders. As always, the discussion mixes wrestling history, classic wrestling nostalgia, sharp analysis, and the kind of passionate fan perspective that only comes from two lifelong wrestling obsessives trying to understand why some concepts endure while others slowly lose their magic.

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Welcome back, wrestling fans, to another exciting episode of Pro Wrestling Forever.
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I'm your host, the Toast of the Third Coast, Professor Degree.
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With me as always, I, Blade Dailey.
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It's not a pseudonym.
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He's actually Bret Hart's little boy, all grown up.
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How are you doing, Blade?
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That's right.
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I'm Bret Hart's son, Blade.
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All grown up.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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All grown up now.
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Papa Bret, he didn't recognize me when I paid to go to that meet and greet.
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No.
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He made his own son.
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That does sound like something a wrestler would do.
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Yeah.
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You can come, but you have to pay.
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So today's episode, this is the part where Blade is supposed to tell you to hit the
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like button, hit the subscribe button.
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Don't forget to tell your friends about us.
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We're a great show and make sure you do that.
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We say clever things like ring the bell, smash that like button.
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Now that's out of the way.
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Click the ding-a-ling.
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Yeah.
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Click the ding-a-ling.
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Yeah.
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Today's episode is titled Battle Royals, Briefcases, Tournaments, and Title Shots.
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The road to gold is paved with good intentions, but does professional wrestling book itself
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into a corner?
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Today we are here to discuss things like the Royal Rumble, Money in the Bank,
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All-in, Casino Gauntlet, things like that.
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G1.
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Matches.
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The G1.
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Matches that take place at a certain time of year that get you a title shot at another
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time of year.
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Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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I think it's a little bit of both, but it's very easy to fall into bad.
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So okay, I guess we can get going.
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That's my whole intro.
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No, that was good.
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That was good.
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I mean, it was really well put together, well constructed.
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Thank you.
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I thought of it yesterday.
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Yeah, if I could stop like stumbling over my own words, that might be better.
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I am only the host.
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Yeah, it just feels like kicking you when you're done.
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Yeah, Blair Line 7 says, if only Ring the Bell had some form of connotation related
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to wrestling.
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You know, I think in reviewing this, the whole like, if you this, then you get
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a title shot has always been kind of a thing.
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You know, non-title matches have always been a thing.
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You know, winners.
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If you can beat the champ or last five minutes with the champ.
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Right, right.
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Battle Royals as well.
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Like if you want a big battle royal, maybe you got a title shot when they came back
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to the territory or whatever.
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But I think, you know, this whole like, you get a shot at the biggest event of the
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year thing is, yeah, it's a little different.
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Antoine's asking, are we talking about tournaments too?
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Yes, we are.
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Yes, we are.
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Yeah, I think I'm looking at it like you're saying when it's wrestling is like a
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television show.
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Of course, it doesn't have seasons, but it kind of has seasons and WrestleMania or
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All In are kind of the big wrap ups, especially WrestleMania.
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And yeah, it's kind of that idea of, are you kind of just painting yourself
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into a corner by always having to, you know, you could have an enemy and that
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that rivalry takes you to the title and it takes you to the match, but you also have
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to win the Royal Rumble too.
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And you know, so it's like that kind of is like a stumbling block.
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But anyway, let's rewind a little bit.
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Or do we want to take anything from the, from the collars?
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Okay.
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So the Royal Rumble starts in 1988.
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First one is January 24th on the USA Network.
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Do you know who the winner was?
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It was Jim Duggan.
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Absolutely right.
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He came in at number 13.
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The next year is when it becomes a pay-per-view and it's like one of the big four.
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I don't know what order, WrestleMania is first.
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Is the Rumble the next one that they introduce?
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Or is it SummerSlam?
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I don't know what order they introduced the pay-per-views.
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It doesn't really matter.
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In 1989.
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It goes WrestleMania Survivor Series.
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Survivor Series.
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SummerSlam, Royal Rumble.
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And then the Rumble's last.
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Okay.
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January 15th, Houston, Texas.
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Do you know who won the second Royal Rumble?
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Big Jon Studd.
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Fuck yeah.
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The man with the second coolest name in professional wrestling.
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Then we get into 1991.
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I'm just kind of going over these just for the sake of argument.
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90 and 91, two years in a row, Hulk Hogan wins them back to back.
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Which makes sense because Hulk Hogan was the ace of the WWF.
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He was also the champion at the time.
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Hold on.
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It was horrible.
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And really the point of the Rumble in the beginning was just to win it and call yourself
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the winner.
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So Hogan was the champion when he won it.
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And that was like, there's a lot of people who say Mr. Perfect was supposed to win
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that one and then Hogan kind of maneuvered his way into winning it.
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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But it does make sense that the guy who is the champ is also going to come out on top
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and be the best.
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You know?
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I mean, whatever.
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I prefer it when it's dudes like Big Jon Studd.
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I think something like the Royal Rumble is cooler when you can use it to elevate
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someone or could be.
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Anyway, then we get to where it matters.
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Well 91, yeah, Hogan won it two years in a row.
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1992, Ric Flair enters the Royal Rumble at number three.
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This is a unique Royal Rumble because this year the World Wrestling Federation Championship
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has been vacated and the winner of the Royal Rumble gets to go home with the belt.
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Of course, it's Ric Flair proving himself to be the 60 minute man, proving himself
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to be the best.
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He never really lost the NWA title.
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So it was kind of like a weird unification, but not really.
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We're not going to say that.
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And then everything changes.
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Basically what had happened is that Survivor Series Flair had helped The Undertaker pin
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Hulk Hogan.
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And immediately after Survivor Series, they announced, we're going to do another
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pay-per-view on Tuesday.
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And it was this Tuesday in Texas.
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And Hogan becomes the first guy to pin The Undertaker in the WWF by throwing ashes
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from the urn in his eyes and rolling him up and pinning him.
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Yeah, that was a dead person.
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Yeah, that was a dead person that he threw in his head.
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Because that's what you keep in an urn are ashes of a dead person.
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So that's probably The Undertaker's parents.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And then so he throws that in his eye, he rolls him up, pins him.
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Jack Tunney goes, that's bullshit.
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No.
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So he strips Hulk Hogan of the title and declares that for the first time ever,
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Royal Rumble winner will become the WWF champion.
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Right.
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Which, you know, obviously had never been done before.
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And it was cool as hell.
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It adds all these stakes.
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To this day, you know, Benny the Bear in the chat, what's up Benny, says,
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hey all, with a tear in my eye is an all-time promo.
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This is the greatest Royal Rumble, in my opinion.
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It's my favorite one because of several factors.
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Ric Flair's performance is incredible.
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Promo that was mentioned.
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And that promo is totally a shot at any motherfucker.
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You know, what's his name?
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Tom Green just did a video on this and basically, you know,
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framed it that way that it's like it's a shot at all the people that said
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he was too old, said he need to be a gladiator, all that shit.
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As a kid, I didn't know that.
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As a kid, I was just like, holy shit.
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Nobody's done this since the last Nature Boy.
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Because I'm a weird nerd kid and I knew that.
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And I think even at that time, I kind of figured out that like
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the chances of Vince making Ric Flair the world champion were very small.
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Yeah, it seemed that way.
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Because Ric was just diametrically different
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than all the other guys he had ever pushed before.
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And so the other thing that makes this Royal Rumble the best,
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in my opinion, is Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monson.
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Oh, yeah, dude.
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The commentary, Heenan is having a fucking heart attack the entire fucking time.
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You know, he coins the phrase, it's not fair to Flair.
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Yup, I was just going to say that.
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It's so, so, so, so great.
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And it's Bobby Heenan's greatest moment as a commentator, in my opinion.
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It's phenomenal because it built...
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Because how long was Flair around before the Royal Rumble happens?
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I think since...
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Not a full year, was it?
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September. It was just September to the Rumble, yeah.
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Right. So, I mean, that entire time he's been building this storyline.
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You know, he's been building this whole, my good friend, Ric Flair.
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He's the real world's champion, blah, blah, blah.
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Yeah. And then when he finally fucking wins it, that's awesome.
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Flareline Correction, the greatest Royal Rumble in 2018.
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They even called it such.
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It had a green belt and a fake Yokozuna.
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I do remember. How could I have forgotten?
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How could I have forgotten?
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And Braun Strowman is still the champion of that belt, right?
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He is the reigning and defending greatest Royal Rumble champion, yeah.
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I hope he's defending it on the indies right now.
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Knowing Vince, he probably bought someone's cremated remains just for that spot.
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He probably did.
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He had someone. He actually had someone.
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He's like, well, I already got this body in the trunk.
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Yeah, he's like, oh, well, pal, I already got a...
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And the fact that, like, when Hogan gets tossed and then he grabs Sid
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and he starts pulling on Sid and everybody fucking boo's Hogan.
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Like, that's that was a great thing.
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So anyway, back on track, skipping ahead to 1993,
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this is the first year that it's for a title shot.
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And I totally forgot about this.
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Yokozuna won that year.
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He was the winner.
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Which makes perfect sense, because who the fuck can beat Yokozuna?
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Well, and it was so great because it was so stupid.
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This is where pro wrestling being just idiocy is like awesome.
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Savage hits him with the fucking elbow from the top and tries to pin him.
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And then Yoko kicks out and Savage, you know,
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tries to portray that he's been pushed over the top rope from a kick out.
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But he actually does get to his feet and jumps over the top rope.
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That's awesome.
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Well, it was like a rebound.
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Like it was like you landed on a trampoline or something.
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Yeah, it was real bad.
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And so, yeah, so that's that was the first year
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that they did the title shot.
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And this is and and what the fuck happened that year?
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Yokozuna got the title shot.
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He beat Bret Hart and then Hogan comes strutting out and says,
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no, that's my belt.
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So already from year one, they fucked up the premise.
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Well, hold on, brother.
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Hold on, brother.
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I don't think it's I don't think it's Vincent fucked up.
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Yoko, I kept his mouth shut and not made it a world title match on the spot.
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OK, you're right.
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You're absolutely right.
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Man, you know what?
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Maybe we should blame Fuji for that because Fuji was his manager.
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And he went into business for himself.
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Exactly. Fuji should have Fuji should have rained him back in and said,
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no, we're not going to do that.
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Yoko thrown out title shots just like his nothing, you know,
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plus Yoko was gassed that title shot.
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Well, that kind of almost makes Hulk Hogan like a money in the bank
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anyway. So, yeah, the idea that it's for a title shot is interesting.
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But the execution, I mean, if you weren't, you either have him
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lose or you have him win and he gets the belt.
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Well, let's examine.
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Let's examine a few key factors here.
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How many world titles were there at the time?
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Well, I mean, outside of WWF, there were others, but.
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Within that company, within the fucking company, smart guy,
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probably none, because it was probably just called the WWF title at that time.
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It was shut up. Yeah, there was there was the WWF title.
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That was the only world title in the WWF.
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So you knew who the title shot was going to be against.
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You knew there wasn't monthly pay per views yet, either.
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There wasn't monthly pay per views yet.
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So, yeah, at that point, there's still just the big four, correct?
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Because my King in the Ring doesn't even exist at this point.
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Yeah, King in the Ring doesn't exist yet.
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I think it started that year, right?
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And then there's no in your.
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Oh, wow. Yeah, I think you're right.
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And then in your house starts like a year later.
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And then you also.
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If you're in the world title match,
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you're in the main event of WrestleMania, correct?
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So flash forward 33 years later to today,
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we are literally we've been doing this Royal Rumble thing for 33 years.
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And who are the main people on the creative team?
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The same people, AI, AI, AI is the new kid on the team.
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Yeah. And I guess Hunter would be newer than some of the other guys.
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But they are a lot of the same people are there.
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Bruce Prichard still there. Yeah.
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You know, so you've got the same people
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booking this shit that have been booking it for for 33 years.
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And I think what's happened is that.
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WWE long ago kind of gave up on presenting their titles as prestigious.
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It's just not something they do that much every once in a while,
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you'll get like a reset rain that tries to reset the the view of the title.
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Like they did it with Punk when he was champ for a year,
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which was very uncommon at the time.
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They did it with. They kind of did it with Punk.
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They tried, but they never let it main event anything.
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Well, exactly. Yeah, it's like, yeah, here you the champ.
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You can have the champ for a year and a half,
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but you'll never main event a single fucking pay-per-view.
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John Cena was still the champ and all but name anyway.
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Exactly. He was in the main events.
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And then they had the introduction of the world title,
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which now you've got the WWF title and the world title.
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And now you've got like who, which champion are you going to face?
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Right. Right. And now you're not necessarily in the main event anymore
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because it's been very common for the winner
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to either be in the first match on the show.
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Right. Or to be not in the main event, like in the semi main.
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Like, like Shinsuke Nakamura and AJ Styles were in the semi main.
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Because you've got two different world titles.
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Right. The prestige of going for a title shot
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doesn't really mean a whole heck of a lot.
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Not what it used to anyway. No.
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So I've still got some, if you want to keep going,
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we can go through or we can just kind of like start shooting the shit.
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1994, though, is the year that Bret Hart and Lex Luger
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both fell out at the exact same time.
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That's fucking cool.
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Like that's every every like anything in professional wrestling.
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I'm going to shit.
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If I don't like it, I'm going to shit all over it.
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And then I'm going to say, well, wait,
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there's one or two exceptions and vice versa.
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That's that's definitely exception for me.
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I loved the idea, the timing.
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Any time two people escape either a battle royal or a cage
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at the same time and their feet hit the ground at the same time.
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It's always cool to me.
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That's just me. What's what we got here?
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Well, I think Blurry Line makes a good point here.
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So even when he says even when I'm at my biggest despising of WWE,
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I always try to watch the rumble.
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This year was the first year I didn't even bother.
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Those rumbles absolutely suck.
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The entrance music is genuinely so bad.
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I think there's a lot of things going against the Royal Rumble these days.
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And I would say part of it is there's two of them on one show.
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That. I think they would be far better off
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making a hard decision and going, you know what?
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Let's do it for the women this year.
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And all the other matches can be men's matches, you know, or whatever.
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All the additional matches.
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And do a women's Royal Rumble.
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One, you could put all of your energy into making one of those matches
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really good instead of trying to do two.
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Because the last several Royal Rumbles that I watched,
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the last really good one that I saw was one of the last ones I saw.
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To be fair, it was when Nakamura and Asuka both won.
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And I thought those were both good Royal Rumbles.
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But, you know, I've seen year after year they're saying, you know,
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didn't live up to the hype.
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I don't think it's lived up to the hype for a really long time.
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I don't think so. No, I was in the same boat, though, like for years.
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I would didn't watch any WWE all year round.
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Always watch the rumble.
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And yeah, now I just I don't care anymore.
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But I was in the same boat for a long time.
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Yeah, and I think the same thing.
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You just even numbered years.
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It's the guys rumble on the odd numbered years.
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It's the women's rumble.
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And you just do the rumble for the other people the next night on Raw.
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You know, I mean, like you just have a really special
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raw the next night, you know.
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Antoine says, no, dude, you just backed everything into a corner badly.
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That gives a lot of people their only chance of being on TV,
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pay-per-view all year long.
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What do you do when it's years in a row for one gender?
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Well, I don't think you do years in a row for one gender.
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You just have to flip flop every year.
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Yeah, like.
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Clearly, or even do one like one rumble in January and one in like July.
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I think the original intent of the Royal Rumble was great.
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You know, it was it was an annual event where this very
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you know, this brand new battle royal concept, right, being presented.
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It was different than everything else.
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And now you have two of these in one event.
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And again, I think you because the winner has to go face
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the world champion at WrestleMania.
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There's how many people can realistically win it?
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Yes, you've just narrowed your.
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Your window to a whole lot smaller than it used to be.
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You're not going to get Jim Duggan or Big John Stud winning it.
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It's always going to be one of your top four guys.
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Right. There's like unless there's some crazy random winner, you know,
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most years I would say there's like an Antoine.
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This is what I'd say back is like they book it back it into a corner
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because like you can have all the people from the roster on the show.
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But if they're only in the Royal Rumble for one or two minutes
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and then they get thrown out because they're never on the show.
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What does it matter?
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I mean, that's and that's they don't get paid anymore
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to be on that show or not nowadays.
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A lot of people, it's true.
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A lot of people would not have that shot to get on the pay-per-view.
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But you know what?
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When Tatanka comes back, Nikolai Volkov comes back,
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you know, Dr. Death, Steve Williams, whoever
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that's pushing guys off the card, too.
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You know, and that kind of feels like that's how the Royal Rumble
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is a lot of the times.
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It's just like let's trot out our old gimmicks.
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It's a you know, a little nostalgia thing.
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And like that's kind of pointless.
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That's my opinion.
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Well, I mean, oh, good.
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Everything we're saying is our opinion.
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You know, it's like exactly.
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I just like to add it like, you know, I like to add that at the end.
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I am oh, it's like how everybody has to say LOL
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at the end of a sentence that they actually mean,
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but they just don't want it to like be too gruff or whatever.
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Yeah, I just think that at the end of the day,
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like the WrestleMania part of it does hamstring you because at the end
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of the day, if you only have a main event consisting of like three
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or four people who can realistically win the title,
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then there's only three or four people out of 30
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that can realistically win your Royal Rumble.
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Right. And I mean, I'm not saying you can't get a title shot
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by winning the Royal Rumble, but I do like the idea of these events,
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even like with the Owen currently and in AEW.
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It's like, why isn't the event just the event?
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Why isn't that the prize?
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Taking home that prize is the prize rather than saying,
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well, you get a world title shot.
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And then on top of it, yeah, you have to hamstring
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all your stories have to now focus around that.
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And it's not saying you can't tell a great story
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because there's been plenty that have been told.
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But why not just open it up and give a little more room?
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah. And I think that there's like
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I think that there's like a chance to do this.
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Differently, I'm not sure what exactly they'd have to do,
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whether I think the title thing for winning the Rumble
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needs to change ultimately,
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because I believe that they have done this for too long.
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And so if it's going to be for a title shot at WrestleMania
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and WWE's main event scene is like three or four people deep
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that realistically could carry that.
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You know, Jay Uso won the Royal Rumble last year
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and ended up in Wrestling Gunther in like the first match of the show.
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And if that would have been Jay Uso's moment
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where now he starts to get this huge singles push
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and like his, you know, it reinvents his whole career,
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fuck it, cool, that's cool.
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Okay, like that's where it works.
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And you've been successful. But where's Jay Uso now?
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I don't know what he's doing.
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I mean, he's not the world champion, right?
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Like, he's not main eventing anything, correct?
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No, I mean, he was so merrily pretty much rejected from being a single star.
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They over pushed him.
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Yeah, so you blew it, you know.
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Again, not saying it can't be done.
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I just haven't really seen it being done.
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Yeah, and we got some people in the chat weighing in here.
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So Antoine says, but that's not a fault along lines of gender.
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That's on the fault booking for each one.
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I mean, again, though, like if they continue to do Blood and Guts
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and they do two in one night every year.
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Yeah, you're eventually going to have one that is weak
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by comparison to the other, you know.
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And I think that that's not.
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It's not, I just think having two specialty matches,
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it's like having two hell in the cells or two anything.
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Yeah, TNA used to do that.
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Right, TNA, you had an entire pay-per-view that was all cage matches.
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Like, yeah, like, so there's no point in having a cage match.
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A cage match is supposed to be the big match.
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Right, right. And so it just they gradually reduce
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the specialness of each version of that thing.
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But then you add 33 years of doing the same thing
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for years and years and years.
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And it really does lose.
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And then it's also like, I mean, and we're getting off on a tangent here.
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But when it comes to like themed pay-per-views, hell in a cell,
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whatever, what did TNA call it, caged heat or something like that?
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It's like. Wasn't it lockdown?
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Probably. Caged heat might be something different,
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entirely might have been a different TNA pay-per-view.
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But it's like, oh, you're my worst enemy.
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I hate you more than anything.
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And since it's November, we're going to fight in a steel cage.
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It's like that doesn't really make any fucking sense.
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You know what I mean?
476
00:23:38.850 --> 00:23:43.210
Like we have to fit our feud into the parameters of this already existing thing.
477
00:23:44.250 --> 00:23:47.950
I don't like that. I think you're just you're handcuffing yourself anyway.
478
00:23:48.490 --> 00:23:51.030
Yeah, one thing I think AEW really does do well,
479
00:23:51.030 --> 00:23:54.510
and I hope they keep it this way, is from January to March.
480
00:23:54.550 --> 00:23:55.650
There is no pay-per-view.
481
00:23:56.410 --> 00:23:59.450
And that lets you build up to that first pay-per-view of the year.
482
00:23:59.490 --> 00:24:01.390
It lets you really set a ball in motion.
483
00:24:01.390 --> 00:24:04.810
Yeah, because BlurryLine points out rumbles in January.
484
00:24:04.870 --> 00:24:08.070
The idea of there being a pay-per-view between the rumble and mania
485
00:24:08.070 --> 00:24:11.290
was always nonsensical, too, especially when the world title gets defended.
486
00:24:11.730 --> 00:24:14.250
Because, yeah, you win the Royal Rumble as a fan.
487
00:24:14.450 --> 00:24:15.750
Let's say you bought that event.
488
00:24:16.290 --> 00:24:18.430
Just, you know, this ESPN thing is pretty new.
489
00:24:18.430 --> 00:24:21.970
So like you bought that event, you see the winner.
490
00:24:22.770 --> 00:24:25.350
You think, I know the matchup for WrestleMania now.
491
00:24:25.370 --> 00:24:27.810
Well, no, you don't, because actually the champion is going to defend.
492
00:24:28.430 --> 00:24:31.510
And then they had years where you had to defend your right
493
00:24:31.510 --> 00:24:36.510
to challenge for the title, you know, at Fastlane or at whatever pay-per-view
494
00:24:36.510 --> 00:24:37.170
was in the middle.
495
00:24:38.150 --> 00:24:40.670
And and yeah, I think they, you know, they do these things,
496
00:24:40.670 --> 00:24:43.830
obviously with good intentions, I think, to try and like
497
00:24:44.370 --> 00:24:46.750
do something different, present something different.
498
00:24:46.750 --> 00:24:51.430
But ultimately, they've done all that I think they can.
499
00:24:51.570 --> 00:24:54.630
Yeah, I think after 33 years, we've exhausted it.
500
00:24:54.710 --> 00:24:56.870
And maybe it's time to here's an idea.
501
00:24:56.990 --> 00:25:00.950
How about if you win the Royal Rumble, you get to be entered
502
00:25:00.950 --> 00:25:04.370
into a three way dance with the other two champs to unify the belts.
503
00:25:04.550 --> 00:25:05.590
You know, I don't know.
504
00:25:06.190 --> 00:25:07.530
Just put his armchair bookingship.
505
00:25:07.570 --> 00:25:10.370
But it's like, yeah, it needs a shot in the arm
506
00:25:10.370 --> 00:25:12.840
if they're going to keep doing it the way they're doing it.
507
00:25:13.710 --> 00:25:14.670
Yeah, in my opinion.
508
00:25:14.670 --> 00:25:17.910
Yeah, in the opinion of someone who doesn't watch WWE,
509
00:25:18.470 --> 00:25:19.630
that's what they need to do.
510
00:25:19.810 --> 00:25:22.970
Yes, but in the opinion of people who watch WWE for decades,
511
00:25:23.390 --> 00:25:26.310
it's it's not like we don't know what we're talking about here.
512
00:25:26.390 --> 00:25:29.010
If you would like to know why I don't watch it, that's part
513
00:25:29.010 --> 00:25:33.570
one of the reasons your universe says, I know it's similar,
514
00:25:33.610 --> 00:25:35.190
but you could build up different stars this way,
515
00:25:35.370 --> 00:25:37.570
giving someone a chance to jump the line and challenge for the title
516
00:25:37.930 --> 00:25:39.910
whenever they want, not just at WrestleMania,
517
00:25:40.110 --> 00:25:41.990
kind of like the money in the bank thing, which is my yeah,
518
00:25:41.990 --> 00:25:43.610
we'll get to that. We'll get to that.
519
00:25:44.290 --> 00:25:46.490
Like the guy who just beat 29 others has to wait
520
00:25:46.490 --> 00:25:48.710
while someone who did nothing gets the same title shot
521
00:25:48.710 --> 00:25:49.690
and they get it earlier.
522
00:25:50.210 --> 00:25:53.750
That being in February at whatever it is, pass lane,
523
00:25:53.770 --> 00:25:55.290
no way out, whatever. Right.
524
00:25:56.090 --> 00:25:58.130
There's there's a lot of logic gaps there.
525
00:25:58.590 --> 00:26:01.190
Nuclear Wessel's actually elimination chamber following the next month
526
00:26:01.190 --> 00:26:03.930
weakens the Rumble's importance even more.
527
00:26:04.230 --> 00:26:07.570
Skewered Universe elimination chamber should only be done
528
00:26:07.570 --> 00:26:08.670
when a title is vacated.
529
00:26:08.710 --> 00:26:10.830
Then you have qualifying matches to get in.
530
00:26:11.090 --> 00:26:11.710
That's kind of cool.
531
00:26:11.710 --> 00:26:14.950
Also, as we've seen recently, the world title isn't always the main event
532
00:26:14.950 --> 00:26:16.450
or the most hyped. That is correct.
533
00:26:16.550 --> 00:26:19.750
Also true. Hey, Lawrence Taylor and Bam Bam Bigelow
534
00:26:19.750 --> 00:26:21.850
fucking main event at a WrestleMania. OK.
535
00:26:22.430 --> 00:26:25.150
Which is I earlier today.
536
00:26:25.150 --> 00:26:28.070
I mentioned the second coolest wrestling name being Big John Stud.
537
00:26:28.350 --> 00:26:32.190
Bam Bam Bigelow is the best fucking name in professional wrestling.
538
00:26:32.450 --> 00:26:34.030
Hands down, that's not even my opinion.
539
00:26:34.090 --> 00:26:37.450
That's a fucking scientific fact. Yeah.
540
00:26:38.290 --> 00:26:40.610
Bleary Line says also they have a men's and women's rumble,
541
00:26:40.610 --> 00:26:43.250
which debates who gets the main event of mania,
542
00:26:43.330 --> 00:26:45.790
which is kind of fixed by having two nights of mania.
543
00:26:46.950 --> 00:26:49.010
And yet. And but do they even do that?
544
00:26:49.190 --> 00:26:52.150
No, no. Has the women's world title ever main evented
545
00:26:52.730 --> 00:26:53.990
either night of WrestleMania?
546
00:26:54.210 --> 00:26:57.910
Yeah, I mean, that you had Becky Lynch and Charlotte and Ronda
547
00:26:57.910 --> 00:27:00.050
main evented and and that was great.
548
00:27:00.090 --> 00:27:02.830
And then you had Sasha and Bianca Belair.
549
00:27:02.830 --> 00:27:05.470
Oh, so they've done it a few times on one night of WrestleMania.
550
00:27:05.730 --> 00:27:07.230
Yeah, that's cool then. OK.
551
00:27:07.770 --> 00:27:09.670
But then yet men usually main event.
552
00:27:10.010 --> 00:27:11.990
That's what I thought. That's what I would have assumed.
553
00:27:12.270 --> 00:27:13.810
Yeah. And yeah.
554
00:27:13.930 --> 00:27:15.950
So there's only been two women's main events total.
555
00:27:16.690 --> 00:27:18.830
And then Benny the Bear or like Elimination Chamber
556
00:27:18.830 --> 00:27:21.070
that never switched the belt there. Right.
557
00:27:21.410 --> 00:27:24.610
So Elimination Chamber is a weird fucking match for the title, too.
558
00:27:24.750 --> 00:27:28.370
But that's a whole nother like devaluation of championships
559
00:27:28.370 --> 00:27:31.770
that we'll get to either on this show or another show.
560
00:27:32.310 --> 00:27:34.490
And then there's one other thing about the Royal Rumble
561
00:27:34.490 --> 00:27:37.210
winner getting the shot is if they lose, which they have to.
562
00:27:37.210 --> 00:27:38.230
Sometimes, right.
563
00:27:38.330 --> 00:27:39.490
Like you can't have them.
564
00:27:39.690 --> 00:27:42.610
You can't just like make it an automatic win. Right.
565
00:27:43.410 --> 00:27:46.750
But if they lose, it also kind of devalues the Royal Rumble.
566
00:27:46.890 --> 00:27:49.450
You know, it's like, here's somebody to be excited about.
567
00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:50.170
Oh, never mind.
568
00:27:50.410 --> 00:27:52.350
You know, like three months of build.
569
00:27:52.450 --> 00:27:57.030
Never mind. And, you know, I mean, I think WWE style
570
00:27:57.030 --> 00:27:59.350
is not to stick with stories for very long.
571
00:27:59.690 --> 00:28:01.430
So, like, true, you lose a mania.
572
00:28:01.530 --> 00:28:03.230
They move on from you. Right.
573
00:28:03.350 --> 00:28:04.190
Start over, kind of.
574
00:28:04.270 --> 00:28:06.090
Yeah, it's not so much the payoff.
575
00:28:06.090 --> 00:28:08.690
It's more about the moment, the flashy moment.
576
00:28:09.390 --> 00:28:09.830
Yeah. Yeah.
577
00:28:09.830 --> 00:28:13.250
So that that that would be how the Royal Rumble
578
00:28:13.250 --> 00:28:16.230
kind of paints things into a corner, in my opinion.
579
00:28:16.230 --> 00:28:19.270
And I think that, like, I don't know that there's a way
580
00:28:19.270 --> 00:28:23.310
to keep the existing structure of it and not do that.
581
00:28:24.410 --> 00:28:24.930
No. Yeah.
582
00:28:25.430 --> 00:28:27.790
I think I mean, this is just me,
583
00:28:27.790 --> 00:28:31.410
but I would get a fucking trophy that's about six
584
00:28:31.410 --> 00:28:33.330
or maybe six and a half feet tall.
585
00:28:33.330 --> 00:28:36.310
And that's what you get at the Royal Rumble.
586
00:28:36.450 --> 00:28:38.230
You'll get a title shot at some point,
587
00:28:38.450 --> 00:28:39.550
but you will get this trophy,
588
00:28:39.630 --> 00:28:42.010
which you're probably going to smash over someone's head.
589
00:28:42.450 --> 00:28:44.830
Yeah. Like the Andre of the Giant Memorial Battle Royale.
590
00:28:45.150 --> 00:28:46.490
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
591
00:28:47.130 --> 00:28:48.730
Oh, that is a thing, isn't it?
592
00:28:48.870 --> 00:28:49.550
Yeah. Yeah.
593
00:28:49.550 --> 00:28:50.390
Do they still do that?
594
00:28:50.550 --> 00:28:52.010
Yeah, they do it on SmackDown now.
595
00:28:52.010 --> 00:28:53.150
They don't do it on the pre-show.
596
00:28:53.330 --> 00:28:55.930
Oh, it's good to know that Andre is so important.
597
00:28:56.430 --> 00:28:59.610
Yeah. Prime example of that was Asuka,
598
00:29:00.110 --> 00:29:01.110
according Antoine says.
599
00:29:01.110 --> 00:29:01.750
I agree.
600
00:29:02.290 --> 00:29:04.030
Nakamura would be the other one.
601
00:29:04.750 --> 00:29:06.270
Letting him wrestle AJ Styles
602
00:29:06.270 --> 00:29:08.730
and not allowing them to do anything.
603
00:29:11.010 --> 00:29:12.110
It's heartbreaking.
604
00:29:13.050 --> 00:29:15.030
And Asuka both won and they didn't pull the trigger
605
00:29:15.030 --> 00:29:15.990
fucking up so bad.
606
00:29:16.850 --> 00:29:18.350
And ending Asuka's undefeated streak
607
00:29:18.350 --> 00:29:21.350
in the second match on WrestleMania by submission.
608
00:29:22.350 --> 00:29:24.110
Real bad, real bad.
609
00:29:24.530 --> 00:29:26.170
That was basically the end for me.
610
00:29:26.330 --> 00:29:26.990
I was like,
611
00:29:27.270 --> 00:29:30.310
I'm no longer emotionally invested in this product.
612
00:29:31.090 --> 00:29:32.850
Thank God AEW came around.
613
00:29:33.810 --> 00:29:34.290
Terrible.
614
00:29:35.190 --> 00:29:37.490
And then we'll move on to the next one after this.
615
00:29:37.650 --> 00:29:39.550
I feel like it's a huge missed opportunity too
616
00:29:39.550 --> 00:29:41.790
because you can have a younger or lesser used talent win
617
00:29:41.790 --> 00:29:44.390
then have three whole months to legitimize them
618
00:29:44.390 --> 00:29:46.170
as a challenger leading up to media.
619
00:29:46.830 --> 00:29:47.570
There you go.
620
00:29:47.710 --> 00:29:50.350
See, that's the thing and they don't ever do it
621
00:29:50.350 --> 00:29:55.170
is they want the huge pop for the big star, right?
622
00:29:55.630 --> 00:29:56.190
Who won?
623
00:29:56.850 --> 00:29:58.970
But it's like, no, you have three months.
624
00:29:58.970 --> 00:30:01.550
Show that you're up to the challenge.
625
00:30:01.930 --> 00:30:02.430
Yeah, exactly.
626
00:30:03.590 --> 00:30:05.810
And then it's also a matter of,
627
00:30:05.810 --> 00:30:06.630
and this is just me.
628
00:30:06.770 --> 00:30:09.570
This is total me as a fan.
629
00:30:09.770 --> 00:30:11.990
This is probably a terrible idea business-wise,
630
00:30:12.190 --> 00:30:15.670
but you take any of your big stars, John Cena,
631
00:30:16.250 --> 00:30:18.770
17 world title reigns, 42 tag belts.
632
00:30:19.050 --> 00:30:20.550
He's won the Royal Rumble three times.
633
00:30:20.790 --> 00:30:22.170
I'm making these numbers up.
634
00:30:22.990 --> 00:30:25.710
Roman Reigns, eight title reigns.
635
00:30:25.710 --> 00:30:27.250
He's won the Royal Rumble three times.
636
00:30:27.830 --> 00:30:31.010
I think it's really fucking cool when you get a dude like,
637
00:30:31.010 --> 00:30:32.330
I'll use Big John Stud again,
638
00:30:32.470 --> 00:30:35.150
or Jim Duggan never held a fucking belt,
639
00:30:35.490 --> 00:30:37.410
never did this, never did that,
640
00:30:37.430 --> 00:30:38.510
never main evented in WrestleMania,
641
00:30:38.730 --> 00:30:41.370
but that dude's got a Royal Rumble under his belt.
642
00:30:41.630 --> 00:30:42.330
That's cool.
643
00:30:42.570 --> 00:30:46.290
Like, those are things that I as a fan am drawn to.
644
00:30:46.430 --> 00:30:47.410
And I think it's, and it makes,
645
00:30:47.590 --> 00:30:49.310
it takes a guy like Jim Duggan,
646
00:30:49.390 --> 00:30:51.510
who's not someone I'm a fan of,
647
00:30:51.830 --> 00:30:53.410
and it gives him longevity,
648
00:30:53.430 --> 00:30:55.070
even if he never goes for the belt,
649
00:30:55.150 --> 00:30:56.290
never wins anything else.
650
00:30:56.870 --> 00:30:58.670
It's like, he can always hang his hat on that.
651
00:30:59.090 --> 00:31:00.270
And even back in those days,
652
00:31:00.290 --> 00:31:01.690
that kind of shit lasted longer.
653
00:31:01.750 --> 00:31:03.330
It's not like today where you forget about it
654
00:31:03.330 --> 00:31:04.350
in a couple of weeks, you know?
655
00:31:04.350 --> 00:31:06.930
Right, like Kevin Knight winning the TNT title
656
00:31:06.930 --> 00:31:10.370
in a casino gauntlet match like a few months ago.
657
00:31:10.890 --> 00:31:13.210
And if sometimes when I think about it,
658
00:31:13.210 --> 00:31:14.350
I'm like, how did he win it again?
659
00:31:14.510 --> 00:31:14.730
Who did he-
660
00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:16.090
How did he get that belt?
661
00:31:16.330 --> 00:31:17.950
Kyle Fletcher got hurt, is how.
662
00:31:19.210 --> 00:31:21.290
But yeah, so, okay, so that's the Rumble.
663
00:31:21.510 --> 00:31:24.790
So, you know, that's the big, big one.
664
00:31:24.790 --> 00:31:27.550
You know, I think that's been around the longest.
665
00:31:28.010 --> 00:31:30.190
Well, let's move it to the Owen Hart Tournament real quick.
666
00:31:30.770 --> 00:31:35.830
So, you know, obviously I'm a way bigger fan of AEW
667
00:31:35.830 --> 00:31:37.350
than anything right now,
668
00:31:37.450 --> 00:31:40.570
but the Owen Hart Tournament does feel fresher
669
00:31:40.570 --> 00:31:41.550
than the Royal Rumble.
670
00:31:42.070 --> 00:31:44.730
But some of the same issues still apply.
671
00:31:45.750 --> 00:31:49.870
However, I do feel AEW has a broader main event scene
672
00:31:49.870 --> 00:31:54.450
on both sides, women and men, than WWE does.
673
00:31:54.450 --> 00:31:57.230
It's not just three people who could win.
674
00:31:57.950 --> 00:31:59.970
I will say this year's men's,
675
00:31:59.990 --> 00:32:01.990
because All In is happening in England
676
00:32:01.990 --> 00:32:04.630
and everybody thinks Will Ospreay
677
00:32:04.630 --> 00:32:06.330
is gonna be wrestling for the title.
678
00:32:08.530 --> 00:32:10.990
It feels kind of obvious, you know?
679
00:32:11.570 --> 00:32:14.370
Like, to me, it looks like a pretty certain thing
680
00:32:14.370 --> 00:32:16.510
that that tournament is coming down
681
00:32:16.510 --> 00:32:17.950
to Will Ospreay and Swerve.
682
00:32:18.390 --> 00:32:18.730
Yeah.
683
00:32:19.270 --> 00:32:22.710
And in this instance, okay, so same thing,
684
00:32:22.710 --> 00:32:25.810
like I wish the Owen was not for the shot at All In.
685
00:32:27.050 --> 00:32:31.170
However, in this instance, coming back from the injury,
686
00:32:31.250 --> 00:32:32.930
getting trained by the Death Riders,
687
00:32:33.230 --> 00:32:34.070
working out the neck,
688
00:32:34.390 --> 00:32:38.110
having to go through a tournament makes sense.
689
00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:40.910
It's like a video game where you have to level up
690
00:32:40.910 --> 00:32:42.710
and you keep fighting a harder guy
691
00:32:42.710 --> 00:32:43.970
and a higher guy every level.
692
00:32:44.850 --> 00:32:47.290
In the future, it might not work out that easily.
693
00:32:47.930 --> 00:32:51.150
You know, it just, everything falls into place
694
00:32:51.150 --> 00:32:52.010
really well.
695
00:32:52.530 --> 00:32:53.750
That even if it is predictable,
696
00:32:53.970 --> 00:32:56.150
this year is cool for me, it's golden.
697
00:32:56.490 --> 00:32:58.990
Well, and I think this is the third year
698
00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:01.850
where the winner has gotten the shot at All In.
699
00:33:02.210 --> 00:33:05.290
And so, get back to me in five years.
700
00:33:05.630 --> 00:33:06.090
You know what I mean?
701
00:33:06.370 --> 00:33:07.030
Exactly, yeah.
702
00:33:07.350 --> 00:33:09.450
Danielson winning was the first one.
703
00:33:09.710 --> 00:33:10.150
Right.
704
00:33:10.330 --> 00:33:11.630
And he faced Swerve.
705
00:33:12.010 --> 00:33:13.250
Yeah, and then Mariah won that year.
706
00:33:13.370 --> 00:33:14.990
And Mariah won that year and faced Tony.
707
00:33:15.250 --> 00:33:16.190
Which, yeah.
708
00:33:16.430 --> 00:33:17.150
That was great.
709
00:33:17.670 --> 00:33:20.970
And then you had, and it made the Owen feel significant.
710
00:33:20.970 --> 00:33:21.930
Yeah.
711
00:33:24.070 --> 00:33:24.790
And then you had-
712
00:33:24.790 --> 00:33:26.370
And it was cool last year too,
713
00:33:26.510 --> 00:33:28.550
but it already planted that seed in my head,
714
00:33:28.610 --> 00:33:30.690
like you said, five years from now.
715
00:33:30.990 --> 00:33:33.730
But yeah, last year, you had Mercedes and Hangman.
716
00:33:34.230 --> 00:33:35.530
Yeah, Mercedes and Hangman.
717
00:33:36.150 --> 00:33:38.390
And they, you know, and in that match
718
00:33:38.390 --> 00:33:40.090
with Osprey and Hangman, I really,
719
00:33:40.390 --> 00:33:42.350
I went into it thinking Osprey was gonna win.
720
00:33:42.450 --> 00:33:43.130
So did I.
721
00:33:43.150 --> 00:33:46.030
So it was pretty shocking, you know.
722
00:33:46.070 --> 00:33:49.230
And with Mercedes, I don't, well, she was not,
723
00:33:49.230 --> 00:33:51.150
well, she was in the midst of all her belt collecting
724
00:33:51.150 --> 00:33:52.050
at that point, right?
725
00:33:52.270 --> 00:33:54.690
And so you have, she's winning all the fucking belts.
726
00:33:55.070 --> 00:33:57.210
And again, that's where you can use a tournament
727
00:33:57.210 --> 00:33:59.810
to level her up, level her up, level her up.
728
00:34:02.050 --> 00:34:06.330
But again, those concepts are gonna wear thin
729
00:34:06.330 --> 00:34:07.150
in a few years.
730
00:34:07.250 --> 00:34:09.710
And is it going to be as interesting?
731
00:34:10.590 --> 00:34:13.310
And like, yeah, are we kind of handcuffing all in,
732
00:34:14.030 --> 00:34:15.850
which is their, I mean, are we,
733
00:34:16.190 --> 00:34:18.030
all in at this point is their WrestleMania, correct?
734
00:34:18.050 --> 00:34:19.050
Yeah, oh, big time, yeah.
735
00:34:19.050 --> 00:34:21.130
I think it's a little different in the sense
736
00:34:21.130 --> 00:34:23.889
that WrestleMania to me feels like it's the end of a season,
737
00:34:24.310 --> 00:34:27.290
whereas all in feels like it's like a big group hug.
738
00:34:27.489 --> 00:34:28.929
It's a little bit different.
739
00:34:29.010 --> 00:34:31.150
It's kind of a celebration of AEW.
740
00:34:32.230 --> 00:34:33.730
But yeah, for all intents and purposes,
741
00:34:33.750 --> 00:34:34.670
it's their WrestleMania.
742
00:34:35.350 --> 00:34:36.389
Larry Line says,
743
00:34:36.389 --> 00:34:37.969
Britt and Cole were the first winners.
744
00:34:37.989 --> 00:34:39.469
I'm not sure they got title shots though.
745
00:34:39.469 --> 00:34:40.330
They did not.
746
00:34:40.550 --> 00:34:43.690
And then Willow won it the next year.
747
00:34:44.250 --> 00:34:46.090
And she did not get a title shot.
748
00:34:46.710 --> 00:34:47.469
And Ricky Starks.
749
00:34:47.469 --> 00:34:48.850
And Ricky Starks won it.
750
00:34:49.250 --> 00:34:50.590
And where is he now?
751
00:34:52.310 --> 00:34:55.090
Well, he gets a WWE title shot for winning that.
752
00:34:56.850 --> 00:34:58.670
He got to go, he got to leave
753
00:34:58.670 --> 00:34:59.570
and go to the other company.
754
00:35:00.390 --> 00:35:02.010
So on the other side of the coin though,
755
00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:05.210
with this awesome women's tournament that they announced,
756
00:35:05.410 --> 00:35:07.370
I mean, there's like two people
757
00:35:07.370 --> 00:35:09.890
that I think are like maybe obvious possible winners.
758
00:35:09.990 --> 00:35:11.350
I have no fucking clue who's gonna win it.
759
00:35:11.410 --> 00:35:13.670
I think Athena is probably the surest bet.
760
00:35:13.670 --> 00:35:14.710
I'd like for Athena to win.
761
00:35:14.710 --> 00:35:15.690
I would love it to be Athena.
762
00:35:15.690 --> 00:35:17.030
That would be my pick, yeah.
763
00:35:17.450 --> 00:35:18.650
But Willow's in there.
764
00:35:20.010 --> 00:35:23.530
And then you've got these wild card people like Serena.
765
00:35:24.310 --> 00:35:24.750
And you've got-
766
00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:25.270
And it's at,
767
00:35:25.830 --> 00:35:28.570
if it's wrapping up at a forbidden door,
768
00:35:28.710 --> 00:35:30.030
this stands to reason they now,
769
00:35:30.090 --> 00:35:31.770
their chances just got a little bit higher.
770
00:35:31.870 --> 00:35:34.430
Right, so if you get them on TV regularly,
771
00:35:34.690 --> 00:35:37.070
there's time to build them up for something like that.
772
00:35:37.530 --> 00:35:41.130
So that felt fresh and exciting to me.
773
00:35:42.050 --> 00:35:46.610
And I think they're,
774
00:35:46.610 --> 00:35:48.310
so far they've gone about it the right way.
775
00:35:49.290 --> 00:35:51.670
Yes, five years from now, 10 years from now,
776
00:35:51.750 --> 00:35:53.370
when they've had to do it every single year
777
00:35:53.370 --> 00:35:55.150
and make it interesting year after year after year,
778
00:35:55.170 --> 00:35:56.530
I think they'll have the same problems.
779
00:35:56.930 --> 00:35:57.750
Hopefully they'll mix it up.
780
00:35:57.750 --> 00:35:58.330
I think so too, yeah.
781
00:35:58.590 --> 00:35:59.550
Hopefully they'll mix it up.
782
00:36:00.250 --> 00:36:03.330
I mean, you do always have the benefit.
783
00:36:03.570 --> 00:36:05.470
I think a tournament kind of lends itself
784
00:36:05.470 --> 00:36:06.570
to this kind of a storyline
785
00:36:06.570 --> 00:36:08.130
more than a battle royal does.
786
00:36:09.570 --> 00:36:11.470
Because it's a series, you know what I mean?
787
00:36:11.750 --> 00:36:15.090
So it automatically is a little bit better
788
00:36:15.090 --> 00:36:16.310
just because of that.
789
00:36:18.350 --> 00:36:20.110
So yeah, that's kind of, I mean, the Owen,
790
00:36:21.310 --> 00:36:22.790
yeah, I mean, the Owen does seem predictable
791
00:36:22.790 --> 00:36:25.190
on the men's side, but what if it fucking isn't?
792
00:36:25.630 --> 00:36:27.310
Well, and that's the thing is maybe Tony Khan
793
00:36:27.310 --> 00:36:28.950
made it look predictable on purpose.
794
00:36:29.070 --> 00:36:30.210
And maybe he's got a secret.
795
00:36:30.630 --> 00:36:31.890
Because he's a fucking psycho
796
00:36:31.890 --> 00:36:34.670
who fucking has been playing 4D chess
797
00:36:34.670 --> 00:36:36.470
for a solid year and a half now,
798
00:36:36.570 --> 00:36:37.390
where it's like,
799
00:36:37.870 --> 00:36:39.230
you really don't see where things are going
800
00:36:39.230 --> 00:36:41.410
or you think you know and you do not know.
801
00:36:41.410 --> 00:36:42.730
And then you're never right.
802
00:36:42.730 --> 00:36:44.370
And then sometimes you are right,
803
00:36:44.370 --> 00:36:47.690
but the path they take to get there veers off
804
00:36:47.690 --> 00:36:50.270
and you have to like take a bus for a little while
805
00:36:50.270 --> 00:36:52.310
and then get on a train and then like a rickshaw.
806
00:36:52.370 --> 00:36:53.850
And then you're back on the story again.
807
00:36:55.130 --> 00:36:57.930
But so anyway, that's the story with All In.
808
00:36:58.010 --> 00:36:59.730
Let's check out, see what people have to say.
809
00:37:00.150 --> 00:37:00.710
Yeah, yeah.
810
00:37:01.030 --> 00:37:02.670
So Skewered Universe said Burton Cole
811
00:37:02.670 --> 00:37:03.510
didn't get a title shot.
812
00:37:03.550 --> 00:37:05.010
It was more of a prestigious trophy,
813
00:37:05.030 --> 00:37:06.290
which is still perfectly fine.
814
00:37:06.750 --> 00:37:08.730
That's what I prefer in general.
815
00:37:09.170 --> 00:37:11.690
Yeah, you're definitely a for the love of the game
816
00:37:11.690 --> 00:37:13.930
kind of guy on these things, on tournaments.
817
00:37:13.930 --> 00:37:15.970
I mean, I am big time.
818
00:37:16.150 --> 00:37:19.190
Like I'm not saying you can't get a title shot,
819
00:37:19.190 --> 00:37:22.310
but I just like the idea that you get $300,000
820
00:37:22.310 --> 00:37:23.750
and you get a fucking trophy
821
00:37:23.750 --> 00:37:26.070
that you're probably gonna get cracked over your skull.
822
00:37:26.330 --> 00:37:28.090
I don't care how predictable that is.
823
00:37:28.290 --> 00:37:28.950
I will love it.
824
00:37:28.950 --> 00:37:29.850
I'll love it every year.
825
00:37:29.990 --> 00:37:30.430
You know what I mean?
826
00:37:30.750 --> 00:37:32.310
It's like when you bring out a birthday cake,
827
00:37:32.550 --> 00:37:34.070
you know somebody's getting hit with that cake.
828
00:37:34.090 --> 00:37:34.770
That's fine.
829
00:37:34.870 --> 00:37:36.950
I don't have a problem with that, you know?
830
00:37:37.290 --> 00:37:37.410
Right.
831
00:37:37.850 --> 00:37:38.510
Love of the game.
832
00:37:39.110 --> 00:37:39.470
Benny the Bear,
833
00:37:39.570 --> 00:37:41.230
the only Jushin Liger appearance with Ricky,
834
00:37:41.350 --> 00:37:42.690
not including the guy from Chicago.
835
00:37:42.690 --> 00:37:45.430
Yeah, remember when Ricky just blew past Liger?
836
00:37:45.550 --> 00:37:48.390
Like they flew in Jushin Liger from Japan
837
00:37:48.390 --> 00:37:50.550
to present Ricky with the trophy.
838
00:37:51.090 --> 00:37:53.830
And he just grabbed the trophy and ran right past
839
00:37:53.830 --> 00:37:55.650
and didn't even shake his hand or anything.
840
00:37:56.130 --> 00:37:58.270
I was like, you flew in Liger for this.
841
00:37:58.570 --> 00:37:59.570
For that, yeah.
842
00:37:59.850 --> 00:38:00.670
Like what?
843
00:38:00.670 --> 00:38:01.530
That's great.
844
00:38:01.890 --> 00:38:02.590
That's great.
845
00:38:02.950 --> 00:38:03.910
Fucking Liger.
846
00:38:05.510 --> 00:38:09.030
And then you've got the one that I think
847
00:38:09.030 --> 00:38:11.250
should be retired, at least for the foreseeable.
848
00:38:11.250 --> 00:38:12.630
Oh, yeah.
849
00:38:13.650 --> 00:38:14.510
Money in the Bank.
850
00:38:16.650 --> 00:38:17.490
A very novel-
851
00:38:17.490 --> 00:38:18.710
I don't like Money in the Bank.
852
00:38:18.930 --> 00:38:20.170
I don't like Money in the Bank at all.
853
00:38:20.330 --> 00:38:21.670
It's a very novel concept.
854
00:38:21.890 --> 00:38:24.190
It was an interesting idea for a little while.
855
00:38:25.950 --> 00:38:28.210
And when they first introduced it,
856
00:38:28.410 --> 00:38:31.130
the idea was you can use this at any time.
857
00:38:31.370 --> 00:38:33.650
However, nobody was consciously like,
858
00:38:33.690 --> 00:38:35.350
they're gonna use it at the end of a match
859
00:38:35.350 --> 00:38:36.550
after a guy's already wrestled.
860
00:38:37.450 --> 00:38:39.470
So when Edge did that, that was insane.
861
00:38:39.470 --> 00:38:41.230
Yeah, and Edge is your first winner
862
00:38:41.230 --> 00:38:43.490
and he cashes in on Cena after a match
863
00:38:43.490 --> 00:38:46.030
where Cena's been bloodied and beaten up.
864
00:38:46.230 --> 00:38:48.170
Edge wins his first world title.
865
00:38:49.710 --> 00:38:50.330
That way-
866
00:38:50.330 --> 00:38:50.970
The ultimate opportunist.
867
00:38:51.090 --> 00:38:52.950
And he gets the name the ultimate opportunist
868
00:38:52.950 --> 00:38:54.210
from this moment, right?
869
00:38:54.210 --> 00:38:55.650
It's a great cash-in.
870
00:38:55.950 --> 00:38:57.570
There's some other really good cash-ins.
871
00:38:57.750 --> 00:39:00.910
The Seth Rollins cash-in on Reigns and Lesnar
872
00:39:00.910 --> 00:39:01.730
was really good.
873
00:39:02.350 --> 00:39:04.130
I won a bunch of money on that one, actually.
874
00:39:04.390 --> 00:39:05.710
We were betting on WrestleMania
875
00:39:06.230 --> 00:39:08.090
and because it was just Reigns and Lesnar
876
00:39:08.090 --> 00:39:09.270
and everybody's like, well, I got Reigns,
877
00:39:09.270 --> 00:39:11.350
I got Lesnar and I'm like, I got Seth Rollins
878
00:39:11.350 --> 00:39:13.270
and I actually won, like $7.
879
00:39:13.990 --> 00:39:15.730
Yeah, you're like, I won a bunch of money.
880
00:39:16.350 --> 00:39:16.410
Yeah.
881
00:39:16.410 --> 00:39:17.490
I bought myself a double cheeseburger.
882
00:39:17.490 --> 00:39:18.370
$7 is a bunch of money.
883
00:39:19.250 --> 00:39:20.670
Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing where,
884
00:39:20.830 --> 00:39:22.530
with Edge winning that the first time,
885
00:39:23.410 --> 00:39:24.810
oh my God, that's mind blowing.
886
00:39:24.910 --> 00:39:26.730
That is a really cool story twist.
887
00:39:26.750 --> 00:39:27.710
It's a really cool idea.
888
00:39:27.810 --> 00:39:31.730
Now you've already tainted this thing right from jump
889
00:39:31.730 --> 00:39:34.750
because now that we know you can cash-in at any time,
890
00:39:35.970 --> 00:39:37.430
that's what's gonna happen.
891
00:39:37.530 --> 00:39:38.270
You know what I mean?
892
00:39:38.870 --> 00:39:40.770
For the longest time, it was like bad guys
893
00:39:40.770 --> 00:39:42.170
would always be winning it.
894
00:39:42.670 --> 00:39:45.930
And I don't know, when you expect,
895
00:39:46.990 --> 00:39:49.930
when I'm watching a scary movie and everything's dark
896
00:39:49.930 --> 00:39:51.310
and it starts going,
897
00:39:52.150 --> 00:39:54.630
you know something's gonna jump out at you, right?
898
00:39:54.770 --> 00:39:56.430
I mean, and that's kind of what it feels like.
899
00:39:56.710 --> 00:39:58.630
You just, well, you know it's gonna happen.
900
00:39:58.690 --> 00:40:00.210
It's not really scary now.
901
00:40:00.490 --> 00:40:04.090
It's not surprising that of course they're gonna
902
00:40:04.090 --> 00:40:07.830
not cheat, but effectively use the rules to win.
903
00:40:08.590 --> 00:40:11.050
And if you wanna talk about devaluing titles,
904
00:40:11.830 --> 00:40:12.890
holy fucking shit.
905
00:40:13.170 --> 00:40:16.330
Well, yeah, so like Big E is retired now,
906
00:40:16.810 --> 00:40:19.510
but his one and only world title was achieved
907
00:40:19.510 --> 00:40:22.350
after he attacked somebody who had just wrestled
908
00:40:22.350 --> 00:40:25.630
of this gigantic man, you know?
909
00:40:26.730 --> 00:40:28.590
Being a guy who had just wrestled
910
00:40:28.590 --> 00:40:31.310
and took the title in 25 seconds.
911
00:40:31.890 --> 00:40:35.970
Right, and like conversely rewind a few years.
912
00:40:36.450 --> 00:40:37.750
CM Punk did that.
913
00:40:37.910 --> 00:40:41.850
CM Punk was a face and Jeff Hardy's.
914
00:40:42.110 --> 00:40:44.250
Right, and then that effectively turned Punk heel.
915
00:40:44.550 --> 00:40:46.050
That's a great way to turn somebody heel.
916
00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:47.130
Okay, that's cool.
917
00:40:47.190 --> 00:40:49.850
Like only an underhanded piece of shit would do that.
918
00:40:49.850 --> 00:40:50.270
Right.
919
00:40:51.410 --> 00:40:53.230
But Big E didn't turn heel.
920
00:40:53.510 --> 00:40:55.290
He was a happy smile.
921
00:40:55.370 --> 00:40:57.350
It's like, why would that wonderful,
922
00:40:57.470 --> 00:40:59.650
wonderful man do that, you know?
923
00:40:59.650 --> 00:41:01.890
He's like the happiest man on the planet.
924
00:41:02.130 --> 00:41:04.150
And that's how he achieves his world title reign.
925
00:41:04.170 --> 00:41:05.570
That doesn't strike me as Big E.
926
00:41:05.570 --> 00:41:07.830
That's not consistent with his character.
927
00:41:07.830 --> 00:41:11.250
No, and you can't have like heels win exclusively
928
00:41:11.250 --> 00:41:12.690
because then that's the giveaway.
929
00:41:12.690 --> 00:41:14.950
It's like, you know, the heels are usually
930
00:41:14.950 --> 00:41:18.270
the people who win the coin toss for war games,
931
00:41:18.270 --> 00:41:19.470
you know, like.
932
00:41:19.630 --> 00:41:20.590
Yeah, exactly.
933
00:41:20.710 --> 00:41:22.410
Because they have to have the extra advantage,
934
00:41:22.690 --> 00:41:26.110
you know, but like, so you're hamstrung
935
00:41:26.110 --> 00:41:27.370
no matter what you do,
936
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.150
but then you've got a ton of title changes
937
00:41:30.150 --> 00:41:33.090
that are like from a guy who just won the title.
938
00:41:33.210 --> 00:41:33.430
Right.
939
00:41:34.110 --> 00:41:36.830
So they held the title for two minutes,
940
00:41:37.290 --> 00:41:40.610
you know, Daniel Bryan at SummerSlam 2013,
941
00:41:41.210 --> 00:41:43.710
when Randy cashes in after Hunter
942
00:41:43.710 --> 00:41:44.610
hits him with the pedigree.
943
00:41:44.670 --> 00:41:45.730
It was a great turn,
944
00:41:46.510 --> 00:41:48.650
but at the same time, super dissatisfying
945
00:41:48.650 --> 00:41:50.510
because everybody loved Daniel Bryan
946
00:41:51.170 --> 00:41:52.970
and just beaten John Cena clean.
947
00:41:53.990 --> 00:41:56.530
And they didn't even really have a plan for him.
948
00:41:56.930 --> 00:41:58.810
You know, it was like, oh, we're gonna.
949
00:41:59.630 --> 00:42:01.670
It's all about the shock value.
950
00:42:01.670 --> 00:42:04.690
And that's, again, that's another episode of this show.
951
00:42:05.170 --> 00:42:07.070
And they didn't, they do that with Alberto Del Rio,
952
00:42:07.370 --> 00:42:09.670
like cashing in on punk after punk beats Cena.
953
00:42:10.270 --> 00:42:13.150
So it's like, basically when somebody beats Cena clean
954
00:42:13.150 --> 00:42:14.290
and looks good,
955
00:42:14.410 --> 00:42:17.050
you have to immediately take the spotlight off of that,
956
00:42:17.050 --> 00:42:18.110
I guess, I don't know.
957
00:42:18.910 --> 00:42:20.510
And Del Rio, god, fuck that guy.
958
00:42:21.230 --> 00:42:22.690
I think Blair Ely makes a great point.
959
00:42:22.790 --> 00:42:24.470
The only baby face cash-ins that worked
960
00:42:24.470 --> 00:42:26.070
were RBD being honorable
961
00:42:26.070 --> 00:42:28.190
and announcing his cash-in all ahead of time,
962
00:42:28.310 --> 00:42:30.710
especially because it was gonna be at an ECW event,
963
00:42:30.710 --> 00:42:31.310
you know?
964
00:42:31.310 --> 00:42:32.950
And Mox cashing in on Seth
965
00:42:32.950 --> 00:42:34.590
because obviously Seth had it coming
966
00:42:34.590 --> 00:42:37.310
after cashing in in himself before
967
00:42:37.310 --> 00:42:39.930
and having fucked over the shield so much.
968
00:42:40.370 --> 00:42:42.230
Yeah, a little comeuppance is just fine.
969
00:42:43.390 --> 00:42:45.730
Shock value or shock value?
970
00:42:45.850 --> 00:42:47.210
Yeah, yeah, maybe.
971
00:42:48.410 --> 00:42:50.410
So yeah, Money in the Bank just,
972
00:42:51.350 --> 00:42:54.990
it's like, yeah, really interesting concept at first,
973
00:42:55.010 --> 00:42:56.390
but it wore thin.
974
00:42:56.570 --> 00:42:59.930
I mean, do you remember when Christian had the casino,
975
00:43:00.110 --> 00:43:00.830
whatever he won?
976
00:43:00.830 --> 00:43:01.750
And we'll get to that later.
977
00:43:02.410 --> 00:43:04.370
And I just remember collectively,
978
00:43:04.590 --> 00:43:07.110
AEW fans' butt holes just tightened up
979
00:43:07.110 --> 00:43:09.390
because it was like, don't do it, don't do it,
980
00:43:09.390 --> 00:43:10.230
don't do it.
981
00:43:11.010 --> 00:43:12.370
Like, none of this Money in the Bank shit.
982
00:43:12.430 --> 00:43:14.030
And he did, kind of, and then he lost it.
983
00:43:14.030 --> 00:43:14.710
He tried to,
984
00:43:14.730 --> 00:43:17.850
and then he got fucking passed out by Moxley anyway.
985
00:43:18.590 --> 00:43:20.530
And which is funny,
986
00:43:20.670 --> 00:43:21.910
but at the same time.
987
00:43:22.170 --> 00:43:23.390
Yeah, but again, don't set that precedent.
988
00:43:23.710 --> 00:43:24.450
No, and-
989
00:43:24.450 --> 00:43:25.930
And then MJF got the next one,
990
00:43:25.930 --> 00:43:28.530
and that's when Tony Khan put the kibosh.
991
00:43:28.590 --> 00:43:30.370
But again, Tony listened to the crowd
992
00:43:30.370 --> 00:43:32.650
and said, hey, okay, we're not gonna do this anymore.
993
00:43:35.630 --> 00:43:37.670
So, you know, and they're not gonna stop
994
00:43:37.670 --> 00:43:38.470
doing Money in the Bank.
995
00:43:38.530 --> 00:43:40.370
They have an event called Money in the Bank.
996
00:43:40.370 --> 00:43:43.050
That is one of their most popular shows of the year.
997
00:43:43.090 --> 00:43:48.390
And so, yeah, it's not going anywhere.
998
00:43:49.930 --> 00:43:52.610
And, you know, I just, I don't know,
999
00:43:53.230 --> 00:43:55.210
again, you have the same creative team
1000
00:43:55.210 --> 00:43:57.130
planning this stuff that you've had,
1001
00:43:57.650 --> 00:43:59.250
planning the Royal Rumbles, planning everything.
1002
00:43:59.250 --> 00:44:04.450
You know, so it's just not-
1003
00:44:04.450 --> 00:44:05.830
It's time to get some fresh blood.
1004
00:44:05.970 --> 00:44:08.010
Time to get some fresh blood in the creative team.
1005
00:44:08.450 --> 00:44:09.470
They have all these writers,
1006
00:44:09.550 --> 00:44:11.110
but every time they show the creative team,
1007
00:44:11.190 --> 00:44:12.610
it's like the same people it's always been.
1008
00:44:12.610 --> 00:44:13.190
It's the same guys, yeah.
1009
00:44:13.210 --> 00:44:16.190
Michael Hayes and Bruce Prichard and, you know,
1010
00:44:16.350 --> 00:44:18.430
same people that have been there since 96.
1011
00:44:18.970 --> 00:44:21.690
Yeah, you're gonna end up rehashing the same idea.
1012
00:44:22.710 --> 00:44:25.450
Just, it's just gonna, it's bound to happen, you know?
1013
00:44:26.990 --> 00:44:28.850
Yeah, so that's kind of my feeling
1014
00:44:28.850 --> 00:44:30.310
on Money in the Bank as well.
1015
00:44:30.990 --> 00:44:32.670
Larry Line says he's usually of the belief
1016
00:44:32.670 --> 00:44:33.990
that every wrestler who wins a tournament
1017
00:44:33.990 --> 00:44:36.250
or a money match should always buy a sports car
1018
00:44:36.250 --> 00:44:37.690
that immediately gets crushed.
1019
00:44:37.790 --> 00:44:39.090
Thank you. Every single time.
1020
00:44:39.390 --> 00:44:39.830
I agree.
1021
00:44:40.310 --> 00:44:41.310
Money in the Bank should have ended
1022
00:44:41.310 --> 00:44:42.430
after Rollins cash-in.
1023
00:44:42.730 --> 00:44:44.490
It was never topped in like 10 years,
1024
00:44:44.530 --> 00:44:46.230
would have been a good run for Money in the Bank.
1025
00:44:46.410 --> 00:44:47.410
Agreed. Yeah.
1026
00:44:47.410 --> 00:44:48.550
Yeah, you could just get rid of it.
1027
00:44:48.550 --> 00:44:48.930
It's okay.
1028
00:44:48.990 --> 00:44:51.250
You can come up with a new concept, you know?
1029
00:44:51.370 --> 00:44:52.770
They got rid of the hardcore title
1030
00:44:52.770 --> 00:44:54.250
and look how great it was
1031
00:44:54.250 --> 00:44:55.890
when they brought the 24-7 title.
1032
00:44:56.170 --> 00:44:57.430
Oh yeah, that was awesome.
1033
00:44:57.430 --> 00:44:58.590
Yeah, yeah.
1034
00:44:58.590 --> 00:44:59.730
Money in the Bank would have been better
1035
00:44:59.730 --> 00:45:02.730
if not every winner was successful on a cash-in.
1036
00:45:02.890 --> 00:45:04.330
Then they went through a long period of time
1037
00:45:04.330 --> 00:45:05.670
where the winners weren't successful.
1038
00:45:05.910 --> 00:45:08.770
I remember Damien Sandow had it
1039
00:45:08.770 --> 00:45:11.970
for like a long time.
1040
00:45:12.370 --> 00:45:13.770
And he tried to cash it in on Encino
1041
00:45:13.770 --> 00:45:15.090
who had just been through a brutal match
1042
00:45:15.090 --> 00:45:16.030
and then he lost.
1043
00:45:16.030 --> 00:45:17.350
And then he lost, yeah.
1044
00:45:17.670 --> 00:45:18.890
And they just killed that dude.
1045
00:45:19.770 --> 00:45:20.710
Kennedy was the same way.
1046
00:45:20.750 --> 00:45:22.610
Mr. Kennedy had it and then he,
1047
00:45:23.670 --> 00:45:25.170
whatever his issues were, yeah.
1048
00:45:25.350 --> 00:45:27.010
And then Edge ended up winning it from him.
1049
00:45:27.010 --> 00:45:27.730
That's right.
1050
00:45:28.610 --> 00:45:28.750
Probably.
1051
00:45:29.330 --> 00:45:30.470
And Edge took it off him.
1052
00:45:30.990 --> 00:45:33.090
Yeah, I mean, a lot of this shit
1053
00:45:33.090 --> 00:45:34.130
has happened with these guys.
1054
00:45:34.470 --> 00:45:36.810
And then of course, who can forget
1055
00:45:37.370 --> 00:45:42.130
the 2017 first ever women's Money in the Bank match.
1056
00:45:42.630 --> 00:45:44.610
Fuck that, let's not even talk about it.
1057
00:45:44.830 --> 00:45:46.910
That I think was pretty much where I was like,
1058
00:45:47.110 --> 00:45:50.970
this is dead to me, there's no going back.
1059
00:45:53.070 --> 00:45:55.470
When Misogyny is booking your wrestling promotion.
1060
00:45:56.330 --> 00:45:59.230
Dude, oh, the heat, brother, the heat.
1061
00:46:00.630 --> 00:46:03.150
So the other last big one that I've got here
1062
00:46:03.150 --> 00:46:06.430
are like the Casino Battle Royals that AEW's done.
1063
00:46:06.730 --> 00:46:07.430
Yeah, in Casino Battle.
1064
00:46:07.430 --> 00:46:09.670
Did anybody else have anything else to say about,
1065
00:46:10.590 --> 00:46:11.530
and no, that's okay.
1066
00:46:11.970 --> 00:46:12.950
Blurry Line said,
1067
00:46:13.130 --> 00:46:15.790
Sandow, Baron Corbin, Austin Thery all lost, yeah.
1068
00:46:15.790 --> 00:46:16.990
Yeah, but you know who won?
1069
00:46:17.430 --> 00:46:18.350
Jack Swagger.
1070
00:46:19.210 --> 00:46:20.990
Like, what the fuck was that?
1071
00:46:21.650 --> 00:46:23.750
Like, our new method for building new guys
1072
00:46:23.750 --> 00:46:24.970
is that you just get the belt
1073
00:46:24.970 --> 00:46:26.490
within three months of arriving.
1074
00:46:26.650 --> 00:46:27.130
Yes.
1075
00:46:27.150 --> 00:46:29.690
And then we forget about you for like two years
1076
00:46:29.690 --> 00:46:30.290
after that.
1077
00:46:30.290 --> 00:46:30.510
Yep.
1078
00:46:31.950 --> 00:46:34.150
So the men's Casino Battle Royal winners
1079
00:46:34.150 --> 00:46:35.170
are a little different.
1080
00:46:35.850 --> 00:46:39.070
Well, and nowadays, obviously it's a Casino Gauntlet.
1081
00:46:39.350 --> 00:46:40.230
It's a Casino Gauntlet.
1082
00:46:40.230 --> 00:46:42.450
And they have the Casino Ladder match.
1083
00:46:43.050 --> 00:46:43.470
Right.
1084
00:46:44.810 --> 00:46:46.430
And they have the Casino Battle Royal.
1085
00:46:46.850 --> 00:46:49.550
So it starts out in May of 2019,
1086
00:46:50.290 --> 00:46:51.130
double or nothing.
1087
00:46:51.270 --> 00:46:52.390
Hand man. I was there, yep.
1088
00:46:52.830 --> 00:46:53.670
Oh shit.
1089
00:46:54.150 --> 00:46:56.410
Hang man gets the inaugural title shot.
1090
00:46:57.330 --> 00:46:58.650
So the very first,
1091
00:46:58.750 --> 00:47:00.930
and that's when they used to do the,
1092
00:47:02.090 --> 00:47:04.550
like you would be like a spade or a ace
1093
00:47:04.550 --> 00:47:06.150
or something like that, right?
1094
00:47:06.510 --> 00:47:08.850
I never fucking understood that.
1095
00:47:09.490 --> 00:47:10.590
Didn't like it at all.
1096
00:47:11.710 --> 00:47:13.950
If the son is in the seventh house
1097
00:47:13.950 --> 00:47:15.690
and you draw this number,
1098
00:47:16.110 --> 00:47:18.170
then you can have this next entrance.
1099
00:47:18.930 --> 00:47:20.190
Just not for me.
1100
00:47:22.030 --> 00:47:24.990
In August of 2019, at All Out,
1101
00:47:25.170 --> 00:47:29.310
Nyla Rose gets a shot at the inaugural world title match
1102
00:47:29.310 --> 00:47:31.130
on the Dynamite debut.
1103
00:47:34.250 --> 00:47:36.050
And then here's where they just start getting interesting.
1104
00:47:36.210 --> 00:47:39.950
At All Out, in 2020 at All Out, Lance Archer wins.
1105
00:47:40.070 --> 00:47:42.230
He gets a world title shot on Dynamite.
1106
00:47:42.230 --> 00:47:42.470
Right.
1107
00:47:42.470 --> 00:47:44.330
And I don't even know if it was the following Dynamite,
1108
00:47:44.350 --> 00:47:47.210
but just an eventual Dynamite.
1109
00:47:48.350 --> 00:47:50.590
Same thing, Jungle Boy wins it in 2021
1110
00:47:50.590 --> 00:47:51.490
at double or nothing.
1111
00:47:51.690 --> 00:47:53.530
Gets a world title shot at Dynamite.
1112
00:47:53.850 --> 00:47:55.990
Kyle O'Reilly won in 2022.
1113
00:47:56.390 --> 00:47:58.930
It looks like the last Casino Battle Royale.
1114
00:47:59.670 --> 00:48:03.490
And he qualified for an AEW Interim World Championship
1115
00:48:03.490 --> 00:48:04.870
Eliminator Series.
1116
00:48:05.450 --> 00:48:07.850
I don't even want to talk about that.
1117
00:48:08.370 --> 00:48:09.830
So we're not gonna talk about that.
1118
00:48:10.470 --> 00:48:10.930
Oh boy.
1119
00:48:12.390 --> 00:48:14.530
Well, so that's what's interesting about this.
1120
00:48:15.530 --> 00:48:17.390
So what I think has made the gauntlets
1121
00:48:17.390 --> 00:48:19.470
and the battle Royals and the ladder matches
1122
00:48:19.470 --> 00:48:22.630
feel a little more special is that they're not tied to
1123
00:48:23.550 --> 00:48:25.670
anything specific. One specific event
1124
00:48:25.670 --> 00:48:28.370
that you're going to. And it's not the biggest event
1125
00:48:28.370 --> 00:48:29.250
of the year. Right.
1126
00:48:29.310 --> 00:48:34.230
You're not like fighting for the single biggest moment
1127
00:48:34.230 --> 00:48:37.290
of the entire year when you're doing these matches.
1128
00:48:37.750 --> 00:48:40.330
It can be a world title shot on Dynamite next week.
1129
00:48:40.350 --> 00:48:41.850
It can be a world title shot
1130
00:48:41.850 --> 00:48:43.970
or it could be for the TNT title
1131
00:48:43.970 --> 00:48:46.510
or it could be for the trios titles.
1132
00:48:46.630 --> 00:48:48.170
You reminded me before we came on,
1133
00:48:48.170 --> 00:48:49.990
they did a trios Battle Royale.
1134
00:48:50.490 --> 00:48:53.010
They did one other women's Casino Battle Royale.
1135
00:48:53.170 --> 00:48:55.890
And that was at All Out in September, 2021.
1136
00:48:56.090 --> 00:48:58.510
I was there and Ruby Soho won.
1137
00:48:58.850 --> 00:49:00.470
She got a title shot at Grand Slam.
1138
00:49:00.690 --> 00:49:06.490
Yeah, there's one Casino Trios Royale.
1139
00:49:06.690 --> 00:49:08.750
I don't know exactly what the rules were.
1140
00:49:08.870 --> 00:49:10.570
It was December 23rd, 2022.
1141
00:49:11.030 --> 00:49:12.670
It was not for a title shot.
1142
00:49:13.270 --> 00:49:16.350
AR Fox and Top Flight got $300,000.
1143
00:49:16.830 --> 00:49:17.370
Yeah.
1144
00:49:17.810 --> 00:49:20.330
Yeah, they did a trios one.
1145
00:49:21.770 --> 00:49:23.170
They're all over the place.
1146
00:49:24.230 --> 00:49:26.010
There's a casino, oh, go ahead, I'm sorry.
1147
00:49:26.270 --> 00:49:27.950
Benny the Bear says Casino Battle Royale
1148
00:49:27.950 --> 00:49:30.630
was so convoluted as a concept like King of the Mountain.
1149
00:49:32.550 --> 00:49:32.990
Agreed.
1150
00:49:33.970 --> 00:49:35.710
Bleary Lines says Casino Gauntlet
1151
00:49:35.710 --> 00:49:38.490
is a monumental upgrade on both the Casino Battle Royale
1152
00:49:38.490 --> 00:49:39.730
or Casino Ladder Match totally.
1153
00:49:41.430 --> 00:49:42.930
Yeah, because essentially what you do
1154
00:49:42.930 --> 00:49:46.550
is you take the Royal Rumble, then you do it in reverse.
1155
00:49:46.550 --> 00:49:48.830
So you want to be number one
1156
00:49:48.830 --> 00:49:50.970
because you have the best-
1157
00:49:50.970 --> 00:49:51.830
In the gauntlet, you mean.
1158
00:49:51.890 --> 00:49:52.770
Yeah, in the gauntlet.
1159
00:49:52.770 --> 00:49:53.070
Yeah.
1160
00:49:53.070 --> 00:49:54.450
Want to be number one.
1161
00:49:54.950 --> 00:49:57.470
You can pin people, you know?
1162
00:49:57.850 --> 00:49:59.710
It's not about getting thrown over the top.
1163
00:50:00.850 --> 00:50:03.890
And so there can be up to a certain amount
1164
00:50:03.890 --> 00:50:05.270
of people who will be in it,
1165
00:50:05.450 --> 00:50:07.290
but you may not even get that far
1166
00:50:07.290 --> 00:50:10.410
because you could pin the guy you're in the ring with
1167
00:50:10.410 --> 00:50:11.690
to begin the match and it's over.
1168
00:50:12.290 --> 00:50:14.810
You can fight outside the ring for 25 minutes,
1169
00:50:14.810 --> 00:50:17.350
making me think that you're legitimately knocked out
1170
00:50:17.350 --> 00:50:18.710
and then come back and win it.
1171
00:50:18.770 --> 00:50:20.850
Athena, last year at All Out,
1172
00:50:21.530 --> 00:50:23.530
totally did not think she was winning that.
1173
00:50:23.590 --> 00:50:24.590
That was fucking crazy.
1174
00:50:24.710 --> 00:50:25.350
That was awesome.
1175
00:50:25.990 --> 00:50:29.510
The Casino Gauntlet Match is kind of effectively
1176
00:50:29.510 --> 00:50:32.510
what the Royal Rumble was in 88 or whatever.
1177
00:50:32.510 --> 00:50:33.250
Yes, exactly.
1178
00:50:33.250 --> 00:50:35.110
Where it felt so fresh and so new
1179
00:50:35.110 --> 00:50:36.650
in such an original concept.
1180
00:50:37.190 --> 00:50:39.410
Because somebody lower on the totem pole,
1181
00:50:39.650 --> 00:50:42.490
if somebody like, let's say just like,
1182
00:50:43.090 --> 00:50:44.670
I'm grabbing a random ass name.
1183
00:50:44.670 --> 00:50:47.130
Like let's say AR Fox wins it.
1184
00:50:48.070 --> 00:50:51.010
I'm down to see AR Fox wrestle the champ next week
1185
00:50:51.010 --> 00:50:51.670
on Dynamite.
1186
00:50:52.030 --> 00:50:53.430
Like I'm not, that's not a problem.
1187
00:50:53.990 --> 00:50:56.030
Am I down to see him headline all in?
1188
00:50:56.590 --> 00:50:58.890
Not right off the top, but you know,
1189
00:50:58.970 --> 00:51:00.590
like it's a possibility.
1190
00:51:01.130 --> 00:51:02.230
Grease got to let the dog out,
1191
00:51:02.530 --> 00:51:05.830
but in or out or something.
1192
00:51:06.250 --> 00:51:09.270
But yeah, it's really like,
1193
00:51:10.670 --> 00:51:13.290
because it's not tied to a specific event,
1194
00:51:15.510 --> 00:51:18.590
it's a little, it doesn't hamstring you the same way.
1195
00:51:18.610 --> 00:51:22.490
And you can set it up to meet a variety of different goals.
1196
00:51:23.370 --> 00:51:24.450
That's my argument.
1197
00:51:24.570 --> 00:51:25.790
So I had to get up for a second there
1198
00:51:25.790 --> 00:51:27.550
because I thought my dog was knocking at the door
1199
00:51:27.550 --> 00:51:28.290
and she was not.
1200
00:51:30.010 --> 00:51:31.470
That's my argument in a nutshell.
1201
00:51:31.750 --> 00:51:34.050
Is like when you are tying it to
1202
00:51:34.050 --> 00:51:38.110
the one great, big, huge event every single year,
1203
00:51:38.270 --> 00:51:40.510
it's just, no, it's not for me.
1204
00:51:40.530 --> 00:51:41.150
But like you said,
1205
00:51:41.370 --> 00:51:42.890
AR Fox getting a shot on Dynamite,
1206
00:51:42.890 --> 00:51:45.010
fuck yeah, I want to see that, you know?
1207
00:51:45.270 --> 00:51:46.350
Blurry Line asked, wasn't there one
1208
00:51:46.350 --> 00:51:48.130
for the inaugural national championship?
1209
00:51:48.710 --> 00:51:49.810
I haven't gotten there yet.
1210
00:51:50.110 --> 00:51:52.070
There was, I haven't gotten there yet.
1211
00:51:52.070 --> 00:51:53.450
Oh, you got the history of this.
1212
00:51:53.530 --> 00:51:54.290
No, sorry, I'm sorry.
1213
00:51:54.390 --> 00:51:54.690
Yeah.
1214
00:51:55.130 --> 00:51:56.770
Did you want to do the casino ladder match
1215
00:51:56.770 --> 00:51:58.150
or do you want to just skip over that?
1216
00:51:58.370 --> 00:51:59.470
No, you just-
1217
00:51:59.470 --> 00:52:00.690
So here's the thing.
1218
00:52:01.270 --> 00:52:04.250
So the casino ladder match, May 23rd, 2020,
1219
00:52:05.230 --> 00:52:07.350
double or nothing, Brian Cage wins the title shot
1220
00:52:07.350 --> 00:52:08.310
at Fight for the Fallen.
1221
00:52:09.690 --> 00:52:12.230
The next year Hangman wins, 2021,
1222
00:52:12.230 --> 00:52:13.750
gets a title shot at Full Gear.
1223
00:52:14.110 --> 00:52:16.730
This is the first time anybody actually ever won
1224
00:52:16.730 --> 00:52:17.950
that they got the title shot
1225
00:52:17.950 --> 00:52:19.730
and then went on to win the title.
1226
00:52:21.090 --> 00:52:23.830
And then one year later, MJF also won
1227
00:52:23.830 --> 00:52:25.410
and then he got a title shot at Full Gear.
1228
00:52:25.450 --> 00:52:27.090
He was the second person to do it.
1229
00:52:27.430 --> 00:52:32.570
But the men's casino gauntlet match starts in 2024,
1230
00:52:33.030 --> 00:52:35.570
and those are just fucking all over the place
1231
00:52:35.570 --> 00:52:37.190
because it's exactly what you were just talking about,
1232
00:52:37.190 --> 00:52:40.010
Blade, they're doing four of them a year
1233
00:52:40.010 --> 00:52:43.530
and they're just, sometimes they're on Dynamite,
1234
00:52:43.590 --> 00:52:44.610
sometimes they're on All In.
1235
00:52:44.710 --> 00:52:47.550
The first two were on Dynamite and Ospreay won them.
1236
00:52:48.090 --> 00:52:49.310
He won an international title shot.
1237
00:52:49.310 --> 00:52:50.670
He won the first two of them, yeah.
1238
00:52:50.830 --> 00:52:54.970
Yep, April 24th, he wins the right to vie
1239
00:52:54.970 --> 00:52:56.790
for the international title, which he won.
1240
00:52:57.190 --> 00:53:00.950
And then May of 2024, a month later,
1241
00:53:00.950 --> 00:53:02.850
he wins another one to get a world title shot
1242
00:53:02.850 --> 00:53:03.790
at Forbidden Door.
1243
00:53:04.810 --> 00:53:05.030
And then in August-
1244
00:53:05.030 --> 00:53:06.590
I'm in Swerve having a great fucking match.
1245
00:53:07.330 --> 00:53:08.970
Oh yeah, and then in August,
1246
00:53:08.970 --> 00:53:11.490
that's when Christian got his whole
1247
00:53:11.490 --> 00:53:13.410
pseudo money in the bank thing.
1248
00:53:13.890 --> 00:53:17.150
September, Kyle Fletcher and Will Ospreay win,
1249
00:53:17.170 --> 00:53:18.890
I guess, a tag gauntlet match
1250
00:53:18.890 --> 00:53:21.530
and they got a world tag shot at Grand Slam.
1251
00:53:22.650 --> 00:53:24.090
January of 2025,
1252
00:53:24.770 --> 00:53:26.930
Powerhouse Hobbs wins ones on Dynamite.
1253
00:53:27.350 --> 00:53:30.370
July of 2025, MJF wins at All In.
1254
00:53:31.270 --> 00:53:35.510
November 22, Ricochet wins the national championship
1255
00:53:35.510 --> 00:53:36.650
in a gauntlet match.
1256
00:53:36.650 --> 00:53:38.830
And then of course, April 12th, 2026,
1257
00:53:39.050 --> 00:53:41.770
Kevin Knight winning the fucking vacant T&T title.
1258
00:53:42.170 --> 00:53:42.870
Super awesome.
1259
00:53:44.730 --> 00:53:46.130
And then there's a couple of women's ones
1260
00:53:46.130 --> 00:53:48.130
which are won by Toni Storm and Athena.
1261
00:53:49.070 --> 00:53:50.930
That's when Toni Storm got that Grand Slam shot
1262
00:53:50.930 --> 00:53:53.610
in Australia, which she won,
1263
00:53:53.750 --> 00:53:54.290
which was fucking cool.
1264
00:53:54.310 --> 00:53:55.990
Rookie Toni Storm, yeah.
1265
00:53:56.830 --> 00:53:59.530
So you think I've gotten-
1266
00:53:59.530 --> 00:54:01.030
She was Rookie Toni Storm.
1267
00:54:01.070 --> 00:54:01.690
Yeah, yeah.
1268
00:54:01.690 --> 00:54:03.590
God, that storyline was so fucking good.
1269
00:54:04.090 --> 00:54:05.010
Well, no, that's just it.
1270
00:54:05.010 --> 00:54:07.650
Like I said, the casino gauntlet,
1271
00:54:07.650 --> 00:54:10.230
I think, is my favorite variation of it.
1272
00:54:11.250 --> 00:54:12.950
But like anyone, like any of these,
1273
00:54:13.230 --> 00:54:15.230
it proves if you do it right,
1274
00:54:15.270 --> 00:54:16.430
if you put the time into it,
1275
00:54:16.430 --> 00:54:17.530
if you put the care into it,
1276
00:54:18.370 --> 00:54:20.270
I'm sitting here poo-pooing these ideas,
1277
00:54:20.510 --> 00:54:22.070
but they don't have to be bad.
1278
00:54:23.450 --> 00:54:26.310
I think when they're married to a particular event
1279
00:54:26.310 --> 00:54:28.050
at a particular time of year,
1280
00:54:28.170 --> 00:54:30.110
that's going to lead to another event
1281
00:54:30.110 --> 00:54:31.390
at a particular time of year.
1282
00:54:31.390 --> 00:54:32.350
That's what I don't care for.
1283
00:54:32.390 --> 00:54:33.490
In a specific match,
1284
00:54:33.980 --> 00:54:37.110
you really do end up hamstringing yourself.
1285
00:54:39.210 --> 00:54:40.870
And Leary Line points out that Ruby Soho
1286
00:54:40.870 --> 00:54:42.350
won one of the Battle Royals.
1287
00:54:43.550 --> 00:54:43.610
Yeah.
1288
00:54:43.610 --> 00:54:46.110
Leary Line also reminds us that the trios match
1289
00:54:46.110 --> 00:54:48.690
was the Three Kings Christmas trios,
1290
00:54:48.910 --> 00:54:50.750
Draft Kings Battle Royals.
1291
00:54:51.710 --> 00:54:52.330
Thank you.
1292
00:54:52.770 --> 00:54:53.690
That's awesome.
1293
00:54:53.850 --> 00:54:55.950
That was back in the days when Toni was just like,
1294
00:54:56.010 --> 00:54:56.850
we're just going to make up
1295
00:54:56.850 --> 00:54:58.410
this ridiculous match type.
1296
00:54:58.870 --> 00:55:00.950
Like, it's just a dumb thing.
1297
00:55:01.190 --> 00:55:02.670
We're going to put it on Rampage.
1298
00:55:03.630 --> 00:55:04.070
Yeah.
1299
00:55:04.510 --> 00:55:06.950
And it's just going to be the longest name
1300
00:55:06.950 --> 00:55:08.270
you can possibly imagine.
1301
00:55:09.150 --> 00:55:10.270
So then Leary Line says,
1302
00:55:10.570 --> 00:55:11.450
meanwhile, during the Darby rain,
1303
00:55:11.470 --> 00:55:12.930
being alive and having most of your limbs
1304
00:55:12.930 --> 00:55:14.770
is enough to get a title shot at from Darby.
1305
00:55:14.870 --> 00:55:15.710
That's correct.
1306
00:55:17.530 --> 00:55:19.130
Casino ladder match deserves to be forgotten
1307
00:55:19.130 --> 00:55:21.470
and cast to hell for that stupid fucking poker chip.
1308
00:55:22.510 --> 00:55:22.650
Yeah.
1309
00:55:23.390 --> 00:55:25.110
Do you remember what was the one where it was like-
1310
00:55:25.110 --> 00:55:26.730
Remember when Sky got the giant ring?
1311
00:55:27.670 --> 00:55:29.330
It was like a phonic ring.
1312
00:55:29.430 --> 00:55:30.650
It was the Sonic ring, yeah.
1313
00:55:30.650 --> 00:55:31.070
Yeah.
1314
00:55:31.210 --> 00:55:31.830
What was that?
1315
00:55:31.830 --> 00:55:34.690
Then he cashed it in against Wardlow and lost.
1316
00:55:35.830 --> 00:55:36.730
Yeah, Scorpio Sky.
1317
00:55:37.070 --> 00:55:37.250
Yeah.
1318
00:55:38.850 --> 00:55:42.070
I remember when Matt Seidel came in
1319
00:55:42.070 --> 00:55:44.230
and it was like his big debut in AEW
1320
00:55:44.230 --> 00:55:48.190
and he immediately fucked up some top row move
1321
00:55:48.190 --> 00:55:50.290
and like, oh, just cut the cameras.
1322
00:55:50.410 --> 00:55:50.930
It's okay.
1323
00:55:51.830 --> 00:55:52.330
Yeah, yeah.
1324
00:55:53.030 --> 00:55:54.030
And I know it was a joke.
1325
00:55:54.030 --> 00:55:54.650
I like Matt Seidel though.
1326
00:55:54.790 --> 00:55:55.890
The literal brass ring.
1327
00:55:56.050 --> 00:55:56.670
No, I know.
1328
00:55:56.810 --> 00:55:58.090
Big love to Matt Seidel.
1329
00:55:58.330 --> 00:55:59.290
It could have happened to anybody.
1330
00:55:59.290 --> 00:56:02.850
I loved on BTE how they tried to explain it
1331
00:56:02.850 --> 00:56:05.510
was Michael Nakazawa had oiled up the ropes.
1332
00:56:05.550 --> 00:56:06.210
Right, right.
1333
00:56:06.390 --> 00:56:08.490
And that's why he slipped.
1334
00:56:10.530 --> 00:56:12.910
I'm not a person to ever chant you fucked up.
1335
00:56:13.510 --> 00:56:15.290
So Matt Seidel, if you ever hear this,
1336
00:56:15.630 --> 00:56:17.290
I'm not taking a shot at you, dude.
1337
00:56:17.370 --> 00:56:17.970
He doesn't.
1338
00:56:17.970 --> 00:56:18.490
It's cool.
1339
00:56:18.830 --> 00:56:19.890
He doesn't care.
1340
00:56:20.090 --> 00:56:21.690
He probably fucks up all the time.
1341
00:56:21.770 --> 00:56:22.470
Everybody does.
1342
00:56:22.690 --> 00:56:23.030
Yeah.
1343
00:56:23.030 --> 00:56:24.750
How often do you just walk down the hallway
1344
00:56:24.750 --> 00:56:26.930
and then you like just trip on absolutely nothing?
1345
00:56:26.930 --> 00:56:29.450
That's the story of every day of my life.
1346
00:56:29.870 --> 00:56:31.490
I've fucked up on this show.
1347
00:56:31.890 --> 00:56:33.450
The one we're doing right now,
1348
00:56:33.650 --> 00:56:34.970
like at least four or five times.
1349
00:56:35.330 --> 00:56:35.350
Yeah.
1350
00:56:35.750 --> 00:56:37.670
Yeah, I'm not doing that on national television.
1351
00:56:37.690 --> 00:56:38.190
It's fine.
1352
00:56:38.310 --> 00:56:39.010
He doesn't care.
1353
00:56:39.230 --> 00:56:39.430
Totally.
1354
00:56:39.690 --> 00:56:40.090
Exactly.
1355
00:56:41.090 --> 00:56:41.570
Losers.
1356
00:56:42.670 --> 00:56:45.530
Yeah, so the last thing that we're coming to
1357
00:56:47.030 --> 00:56:48.410
is eliminator matches.
1358
00:56:48.590 --> 00:56:51.590
And I got one in particular for you to agree,
1359
00:56:53.670 --> 00:56:54.630
the C2.
1360
00:56:54.630 --> 00:56:57.550
So for the longest time,
1361
00:56:57.710 --> 00:57:01.510
I was the most outspoken because you know me,
1362
00:57:01.510 --> 00:57:02.370
if I'm going to be wrong,
1363
00:57:02.390 --> 00:57:03.990
I'm going to be loud about it.
1364
00:57:05.450 --> 00:57:08.150
I said, why would you win a belt
1365
00:57:08.150 --> 00:57:09.210
at the end of this tournament
1366
00:57:09.210 --> 00:57:11.570
and then have to defend it in a one-on-one match,
1367
00:57:11.650 --> 00:57:12.170
right?
1368
00:57:13.190 --> 00:57:15.590
But now they've changed it during this Moxley reign.
1369
00:57:15.590 --> 00:57:17.290
And I think it makes a little more sense.
1370
00:57:18.530 --> 00:57:20.710
They did that King of Pro Wrestling title
1371
00:57:20.710 --> 00:57:22.030
in New Japan years ago,
1372
00:57:22.030 --> 00:57:24.150
where it was like, you win it.
1373
00:57:24.850 --> 00:57:27.050
And if you're holding it at the end of the year,
1374
00:57:27.510 --> 00:57:29.090
you're the official champion.
1375
00:57:29.450 --> 00:57:34.810
But until then, you're just like the current contender
1376
00:57:34.810 --> 00:57:35.710
to be the champion.
1377
00:57:35.810 --> 00:57:37.190
It was a stupid thing.
1378
00:57:37.470 --> 00:57:39.550
It was actually, I believe Okada's idea.
1379
00:57:40.650 --> 00:57:43.210
That's what the C2 felt like for a long time.
1380
00:57:43.830 --> 00:57:45.170
And to me, it was like,
1381
00:57:45.210 --> 00:57:47.310
why wouldn't you get a world title shot
1382
00:57:47.310 --> 00:57:48.750
for winning the C2
1383
00:57:48.750 --> 00:57:50.470
when the Owen Hart tournament theoretically
1384
00:57:50.470 --> 00:57:53.610
is much easier to win than this C2?
1385
00:57:56.650 --> 00:57:57.670
Yeah, so yeah.
1386
00:57:57.750 --> 00:57:59.270
Blurry Line says King of Pro Wrestling
1387
00:57:59.270 --> 00:58:00.230
was like a scramble match,
1388
00:58:00.430 --> 00:58:02.190
but stretched out over a whole year.
1389
00:58:03.850 --> 00:58:05.570
So everybody was just an interim champ
1390
00:58:05.570 --> 00:58:07.910
for a whole year basically until the end of the year?
1391
00:58:07.930 --> 00:58:09.950
Shinko Takagi won the title at one point
1392
00:58:09.950 --> 00:58:12.970
and then he defended the title from there.
1393
00:58:13.830 --> 00:58:15.430
But you had to be holding the title
1394
00:58:15.430 --> 00:58:16.610
at the end of the year
1395
00:58:16.610 --> 00:58:18.470
to be recognized as the official
1396
00:58:18.470 --> 00:58:20.370
King of Pro Wrestling champion.
1397
00:58:20.830 --> 00:58:21.750
That's odd.
1398
00:58:22.210 --> 00:58:25.170
And that's what the C2 kind of felt like at first,
1399
00:58:25.250 --> 00:58:28.810
which was like, why did Okada wrestle Eddie Kingston for it?
1400
00:58:29.030 --> 00:58:31.810
Because he only had to beat Eddie in one match
1401
00:58:31.810 --> 00:58:35.930
and Eddie had to wrestle five matches
1402
00:58:35.930 --> 00:58:37.630
and beat all these people.
1403
00:58:38.950 --> 00:58:42.450
I like that they've added the eliminator aspect to it.
1404
00:58:42.670 --> 00:58:44.930
So to get a title shot,
1405
00:58:45.090 --> 00:58:47.850
you have to either take Jon Moxley to 20 minutes
1406
00:58:47.850 --> 00:58:52.550
or you have to beat Jon Moxley just to get the title shot.
1407
00:58:53.370 --> 00:58:55.230
Then you get a shot at the title.
1408
00:58:55.710 --> 00:58:57.390
That makes more sense to me
1409
00:58:57.390 --> 00:58:59.650
because one, it should be a little more forgiving
1410
00:58:59.650 --> 00:59:01.430
to whoever the champ is, right?
1411
00:59:01.810 --> 00:59:02.750
Sure, yeah.
1412
00:59:02.770 --> 00:59:04.710
Because you won one hell of a tournament
1413
00:59:04.710 --> 00:59:05.530
to win that belt.
1414
00:59:05.950 --> 00:59:06.410
Right.
1415
00:59:07.330 --> 00:59:09.350
Yes, Joe says, or sorry,
1416
00:59:09.650 --> 00:59:11.350
Blurry Line says provisional champion.
1417
00:59:12.310 --> 00:59:12.970
Provisional champion.
1418
00:59:12.970 --> 00:59:13.610
That's what it was.
1419
00:59:13.650 --> 00:59:16.410
Yeah, I mean, I do like that.
1420
00:59:16.410 --> 00:59:19.290
I do like that little twist on the C2.
1421
00:59:19.570 --> 00:59:21.790
I like the idea of going through a tournament,
1422
00:59:22.110 --> 00:59:24.390
winning a belt, and then you get to hold it all year.
1423
00:59:25.590 --> 00:59:27.390
And then defend it in the next year's tournament.
1424
00:59:28.210 --> 00:59:29.430
Oh, I like that too, yeah.
1425
00:59:30.250 --> 00:59:32.590
I don't mind them defending it through the year
1426
00:59:32.590 --> 00:59:35.470
just because it's interesting to me.
1427
00:59:35.930 --> 00:59:37.690
I mean, I guess the verdict is out.
1428
00:59:37.930 --> 00:59:39.810
It's kind of like I'm in the mode where it's like,
1429
00:59:39.930 --> 00:59:41.950
well, give it a couple of years and see how it feels.
1430
00:59:43.370 --> 00:59:44.630
I like what you're saying, though,
1431
00:59:44.630 --> 00:59:47.370
in terms of like they've added these little stipulations,
1432
00:59:47.490 --> 00:59:50.710
so you can get a shot, but you really have to work.
1433
00:59:51.490 --> 00:59:53.490
It's like the pure title or something.
1434
00:59:53.910 --> 00:59:55.890
Anything where you add extra little rules,
1435
00:59:55.910 --> 00:59:57.410
that's a cool little gimmick to me.
1436
00:59:57.730 --> 00:59:58.110
I like it.
1437
00:59:58.110 --> 00:59:58.850
I like that.
1438
00:59:59.090 --> 01:00:00.210
I like the time limits.
1439
01:00:00.490 --> 01:00:03.530
I like that any interference is absolute no-no.
1440
01:00:04.050 --> 01:00:06.750
That is like you are in deep fucking shit.
1441
01:00:06.850 --> 01:00:10.330
Yeah, because look at how big of a deal it was
1442
01:00:10.330 --> 01:00:12.110
when Okada cheated.
1443
01:00:12.390 --> 01:00:14.250
And I mean, he didn't get caught or whatever,
1444
01:00:14.250 --> 01:00:15.550
but it was like, oh my God,
1445
01:00:15.810 --> 01:00:17.730
and it's Okada on top of that.
1446
01:00:17.750 --> 01:00:18.810
Like, how could he?
1447
01:00:18.970 --> 01:00:21.090
And he screwed Fletcher and all that.
1448
01:00:21.090 --> 01:00:21.770
Yeah, that was good.
1449
01:00:22.090 --> 01:00:25.430
And this, the ripple effect that just kicks off.
1450
01:00:26.070 --> 01:00:27.250
Yeah, I like that.
1451
01:00:27.510 --> 01:00:28.370
I like the C2.
1452
01:00:28.650 --> 01:00:30.790
It's one of my favorite times of year.
1453
01:00:32.390 --> 01:00:34.310
But yeah, I like Eliminator matches, too.
1454
01:00:34.550 --> 01:00:35.830
I like Eliminator matches, too.
1455
01:00:35.850 --> 01:00:37.030
I mean, they're really just classic
1456
01:00:37.030 --> 01:00:38.570
non-title matches, right?
1457
01:00:38.610 --> 01:00:41.510
And most of the time, the challenger doesn't win.
1458
01:00:42.290 --> 01:00:45.510
Exactly, so on those rare occasions where they do.
1459
01:00:47.370 --> 01:00:49.050
But what was Blair E. Lyon saying here?
1460
01:00:49.070 --> 01:00:49.430
Blair E. Lyon says,
1461
01:00:49.470 --> 01:00:51.210
I'm not a fan of that title being defended,
1462
01:00:51.690 --> 01:00:53.410
but the exception could be that a great wrestler
1463
01:00:53.410 --> 01:00:55.330
is not in the C2 and wants to be on the tournament,
1464
01:00:55.490 --> 01:00:56.550
so winning the title is there.
1465
01:00:56.630 --> 01:00:57.950
Yeah, I like that, yeah.
1466
01:00:58.730 --> 01:00:59.530
100%, 100%.
1467
01:00:59.530 --> 01:01:02.130
It's an automatic shot at getting in the tournament,
1468
01:01:02.210 --> 01:01:02.830
yeah. Well, right.
1469
01:01:02.910 --> 01:01:04.970
If you're the chief, you have to be in the tournament.
1470
01:01:06.750 --> 01:01:08.170
I like that aspect of it.
1471
01:01:08.390 --> 01:01:09.470
Totally, totally.
1472
01:01:09.470 --> 01:01:14.210
And so I had briefly mentioned that we would cover
1473
01:01:14.210 --> 01:01:18.730
New Japan, the G1 and the New Japan Cup.
1474
01:01:19.350 --> 01:01:21.610
And I don't have any problem with how they do that
1475
01:01:21.610 --> 01:01:23.670
because earlier the chat was pointing out
1476
01:01:23.670 --> 01:01:25.850
that it's only guaranteed you a title shot
1477
01:01:25.850 --> 01:01:29.610
for the last, since like 2012 or something.
1478
01:01:29.850 --> 01:01:32.490
It used to just be a trophy that you got.
1479
01:01:32.550 --> 01:01:33.690
Right, that's what I thought.
1480
01:01:33.970 --> 01:01:34.450
Yeah.
1481
01:01:34.770 --> 01:01:36.230
And you get a shot at Wrestle Kingdom?
1482
01:01:36.750 --> 01:01:38.530
Yeah, now you get a shot at Wrestle Kingdom.
1483
01:01:38.530 --> 01:01:42.590
Zack Sabre, when he won it, he wanted the shot in the UK
1484
01:01:42.590 --> 01:01:44.650
because they were doing Royal Quest
1485
01:01:44.650 --> 01:01:46.370
or whatever the event was.
1486
01:01:46.990 --> 01:01:48.770
And he was winning it, obviously.
1487
01:01:49.230 --> 01:01:50.250
Right, yeah, yeah.
1488
01:01:50.810 --> 01:01:54.090
However, I do have to say, once you've won the G1,
1489
01:01:54.170 --> 01:01:55.950
which is such an amazing tournament
1490
01:01:55.950 --> 01:01:57.450
and then you lose at Wrestle Kingdom,
1491
01:01:57.670 --> 01:02:00.410
it's like, oh boy, wow.
1492
01:02:00.630 --> 01:02:02.390
Yeah, that's right.
1493
01:02:02.510 --> 01:02:04.890
That's where it kind of, again, you get,
1494
01:02:05.870 --> 01:02:07.530
we keep using the word hamstrung
1495
01:02:07.530 --> 01:02:10.550
and I really like that word, but that's what it is.
1496
01:02:10.610 --> 01:02:11.970
It's like, now you're kind of like,
1497
01:02:12.050 --> 01:02:13.930
well, was this guy all that, you know?
1498
01:02:14.370 --> 01:02:16.410
Yeah, but as Antoine fairly pointed out,
1499
01:02:16.610 --> 01:02:18.750
New Japan is very tournament-based
1500
01:02:18.750 --> 01:02:20.210
just in the way they do everything,
1501
01:02:20.330 --> 01:02:24.890
with tag teams, Super Juniors, the G1, all of it.
1502
01:02:25.070 --> 01:02:26.490
So it's not unheard of.
1503
01:02:27.070 --> 01:02:29.730
No, and that's kind of the beauty of the G1 or the C2
1504
01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:33.430
where it's like, you see people like Mox
1505
01:02:33.430 --> 01:02:35.930
take a loss to Kyle Fletcher and then go on,
1506
01:02:35.930 --> 01:02:37.410
or not Kyle Fletcher, Kyle O'Reilly,
1507
01:02:37.670 --> 01:02:39.610
and then go on to win the whole fucking thing.
1508
01:02:39.750 --> 01:02:42.850
So it's like, it's not crazy for a guy to lose
1509
01:02:43.370 --> 01:02:45.810
in a tournament setting like that, you know?
1510
01:02:47.490 --> 01:02:49.570
Bleary Lines says, we need more trophies in wrestling
1511
01:02:49.570 --> 01:02:50.510
and he is right.
1512
01:02:50.850 --> 01:02:51.410
That's correct.
1513
01:02:52.070 --> 01:02:52.530
That's correct.
1514
01:02:52.550 --> 01:02:53.990
I'm a big fan of trophies.
1515
01:02:54.130 --> 01:02:58.250
I like the Owens trophy belts, basically, you know?
1516
01:02:58.390 --> 01:02:59.430
Yeah, no, I think they're cool.
1517
01:03:00.610 --> 01:03:03.070
Fucking ugliest belt in the world, but I love it.
1518
01:03:03.670 --> 01:03:05.810
I mean, I love the history behind it, of course.
1519
01:03:05.810 --> 01:03:08.090
I have an Adam Cole and Britt Baker
1520
01:03:08.090 --> 01:03:10.530
where they have those belts, the figures
1521
01:03:11.130 --> 01:03:12.530
with the belts is cool.
1522
01:03:13.210 --> 01:03:16.970
But like, you know, ultimately, I think like,
1523
01:03:17.090 --> 01:03:17.730
this is a fun thing.
1524
01:03:17.750 --> 01:03:18.930
Hold on real quick before you get off.
1525
01:03:19.070 --> 01:03:20.310
When you had those figures,
1526
01:03:20.670 --> 01:03:22.350
did you take the belt off of her
1527
01:03:22.350 --> 01:03:23.930
and put it onto your Mercedes figure
1528
01:03:24.570 --> 01:03:26.250
when she was holding all those titles?
1529
01:03:26.750 --> 01:03:27.750
I didn't.
1530
01:03:28.050 --> 01:03:28.810
Oh, I do that, sorry.
1531
01:03:28.870 --> 01:03:30.230
That's like a ceremony in my house.
1532
01:03:30.230 --> 01:03:31.450
Oh wow, it's like a ceremony.
1533
01:03:31.450 --> 01:03:33.910
You should have been when Darby won the fucking belt
1534
01:03:33.910 --> 01:03:36.630
and we took the off of the MJF toy
1535
01:03:36.630 --> 01:03:37.650
and put it on the Darby toy.
1536
01:03:37.670 --> 01:03:38.130
Oh no, I do that.
1537
01:03:38.130 --> 01:03:39.750
It was like a moment in my house.
1538
01:03:39.870 --> 01:03:40.570
That's what I mean, yeah.
1539
01:03:40.650 --> 01:03:41.290
Yeah, I do that.
1540
01:03:41.530 --> 01:03:43.930
I mean, it's not like a proper ceremony.
1541
01:03:44.170 --> 01:03:45.830
I did it with Darby, but yeah,
1542
01:03:45.830 --> 01:03:47.130
I could have done it with,
1543
01:03:48.410 --> 01:03:48.970
I feel bad.
1544
01:03:48.970 --> 01:03:49.570
I'm disappointed.
1545
01:03:49.970 --> 01:03:51.250
So anyway, what were you talking about
1546
01:03:51.250 --> 01:03:52.130
before I interrupted you
1547
01:03:52.130 --> 01:03:53.150
and you probably lost your train of thought
1548
01:03:53.150 --> 01:03:53.870
and now you can't remember.
1549
01:03:54.350 --> 01:03:57.030
You have a toy of the two of them holding the belts
1550
01:03:58.770 --> 01:04:01.330
and we were talking about liking trophies
1551
01:04:01.330 --> 01:04:03.690
and I like, Bleary Line likes trophies
1552
01:04:03.690 --> 01:04:05.550
and I said, I like trophy belts
1553
01:04:06.570 --> 01:04:08.330
and they won the C2 and I-
1554
01:04:08.330 --> 01:04:09.050
I don't know how ugly they were
1555
01:04:09.050 --> 01:04:12.370
and what I was gonna say is basically
1556
01:04:13.270 --> 01:04:15.150
at the end of the day,
1557
01:04:15.190 --> 01:04:18.710
this is a fun, theoretical exercise, right?
1558
01:04:18.870 --> 01:04:20.690
It's a fun thing to do.
1559
01:04:21.050 --> 01:04:22.570
I'm not saying I could do it better.
1560
01:04:23.490 --> 01:04:24.370
I'm not a- No, I couldn't.
1561
01:04:24.590 --> 01:04:26.130
There's a shitload of complication
1562
01:04:26.130 --> 01:04:27.230
that comes with this shit,
1563
01:04:27.670 --> 01:04:31.070
but what I do appreciate is
1564
01:04:31.070 --> 01:04:35.390
with that, what AEW has done right so far
1565
01:04:35.390 --> 01:04:37.910
is that the only thing they're really beholden to
1566
01:04:37.910 --> 01:04:43.050
on a calendar is All In and Blood and Guts.
1567
01:04:43.470 --> 01:04:44.750
Like they're gonna do that kind of around
1568
01:04:44.750 --> 01:04:47.850
a certain time of year, that kind of thing.
1569
01:04:48.250 --> 01:04:52.570
And then everything else is kind of fluid from there.
1570
01:04:55.030 --> 01:04:58.130
I think anytime you have two of the same match type,
1571
01:04:58.150 --> 01:04:59.470
that's a big gimmick match.
1572
01:04:59.990 --> 01:05:01.550
I will say it, All In last year,
1573
01:05:01.670 --> 01:05:06.910
I thought the men's was far inferior to the women's.
1574
01:05:06.910 --> 01:05:10.170
Women looked like they put everything they had into it
1575
01:05:10.170 --> 01:05:12.410
and the men's was kind of like-
1576
01:05:12.410 --> 01:05:14.710
I mean, and we're talking about great wrestlers.
1577
01:05:14.850 --> 01:05:15.710
It wasn't their fault.
1578
01:05:15.730 --> 01:05:16.590
They were booked to do this.
1579
01:05:16.610 --> 01:05:18.310
They were laying around a lot.
1580
01:05:19.090 --> 01:05:20.670
And it was just like,
1581
01:05:20.730 --> 01:05:22.730
okay, let's just get to MJF winning this thing.
1582
01:05:23.590 --> 01:05:26.510
Well, and you can't help but have a comparison.
1583
01:05:26.610 --> 01:05:28.990
I mean, the Blood and Guts this year,
1584
01:05:28.990 --> 01:05:31.710
I mean, both Blood and Guts were fucking awesome,
1585
01:05:31.970 --> 01:05:35.410
but boy, that women's one was a whole different story, dude.
1586
01:05:35.430 --> 01:05:37.210
Yeah, it was a whole different story.
1587
01:05:37.410 --> 01:05:38.990
It was my taste, at least.
1588
01:05:39.030 --> 01:05:42.610
Yeah, and Athena winning was very exciting.
1589
01:05:45.170 --> 01:05:45.770
Go on.
1590
01:05:46.230 --> 01:05:46.850
Yeti Malone says,
1591
01:05:47.110 --> 01:05:49.190
the only ceremony that Blade does
1592
01:05:49.190 --> 01:05:50.170
with his Mercedes figure
1593
01:05:50.170 --> 01:05:52.610
is getting a wedding ceremony to the CEO.
1594
01:05:54.270 --> 01:05:56.030
It's like in Spaceballs
1595
01:05:56.030 --> 01:05:57.810
when he's playing with the little toys.
1596
01:05:57.810 --> 01:05:59.750
You have a little custom Blade toy.
1597
01:06:00.390 --> 01:06:00.530
Yes.
1598
01:06:00.530 --> 01:06:01.190
Oh Lord.
1599
01:06:01.410 --> 01:06:03.810
Right, it's just like somebody has cameras in here.
1600
01:06:04.270 --> 01:06:05.450
Blood and Guts being kind of yearly,
1601
01:06:05.510 --> 01:06:07.310
but not having a guaranteed yearly pay-per-view
1602
01:06:07.310 --> 01:06:08.630
is a huge plus, yes.
1603
01:06:09.170 --> 01:06:12.030
Well, that's, I mean, AEW doesn't,
1604
01:06:12.070 --> 01:06:13.210
other than All In,
1605
01:06:13.250 --> 01:06:15.470
I don't see that they have like a hierarchy
1606
01:06:15.470 --> 01:06:17.590
of big four or big three or whatever.
1607
01:06:17.610 --> 01:06:18.650
They probably do,
1608
01:06:18.650 --> 01:06:20.290
and I just don't pay that close of attention
1609
01:06:20.290 --> 01:06:21.410
or something, I don't know.
1610
01:06:22.030 --> 01:06:24.570
But yeah, I like the fluidity of that company.
1611
01:06:24.570 --> 01:06:28.110
The one that I always thought was the biggest one
1612
01:06:28.110 --> 01:06:32.230
before All In came back was All Out,
1613
01:06:32.630 --> 01:06:34.910
just because it was like paying tribute
1614
01:06:34.910 --> 01:06:36.250
to that initial event.
1615
01:06:37.330 --> 01:06:38.970
But Double or Nothing was the first.
1616
01:06:41.430 --> 01:06:43.650
Revolution's had a really good track record
1617
01:06:43.650 --> 01:06:47.530
as far as being booked really well year over year.
1618
01:06:48.110 --> 01:06:49.970
And now I definitely consider All In
1619
01:06:49.970 --> 01:06:52.150
to be the mothership show.
1620
01:06:52.730 --> 01:06:53.670
It is, yeah.
1621
01:06:53.670 --> 01:06:56.210
And it's just this big,
1622
01:06:56.730 --> 01:06:59.570
big glorious celebration of all that is AEW,
1623
01:06:59.570 --> 01:07:00.310
which I love.
1624
01:07:01.730 --> 01:07:03.410
But yeah, so basically,
1625
01:07:03.410 --> 01:07:05.970
I think the moral of what we're saying here
1626
01:07:05.970 --> 01:07:09.350
is if you do something the same way for too long
1627
01:07:09.350 --> 01:07:11.430
by the same people for too long,
1628
01:07:12.210 --> 01:07:14.810
going to run it into the ground.
1629
01:07:17.030 --> 01:07:19.890
WWE appears to be the worst offender of that
1630
01:07:19.890 --> 01:07:21.750
by our measure here, but.
1631
01:07:21.750 --> 01:07:23.550
Well, they've been doing it longer too.
1632
01:07:23.650 --> 01:07:24.210
That's what I mean.
1633
01:07:24.270 --> 01:07:25.530
They've been doing it 30 years.
1634
01:07:26.610 --> 01:07:30.410
It's bound to create some issues there.
1635
01:07:32.090 --> 01:07:33.270
They're gonna have to work
1636
01:07:33.270 --> 01:07:35.250
if they want the Owen Hart to continue to be
1637
01:07:35.250 --> 01:07:36.310
for what it is.
1638
01:07:36.830 --> 01:07:38.130
It's gonna take a lot of effort
1639
01:07:38.130 --> 01:07:40.150
to make it interesting year after year after year.
1640
01:07:41.510 --> 01:07:44.010
This year with Osprey coming back from his injury,
1641
01:07:44.090 --> 01:07:45.430
if that is the route they're going,
1642
01:07:45.550 --> 01:07:46.430
which I assume they are,
1643
01:07:47.370 --> 01:07:48.950
they've had that handed to them
1644
01:07:48.950 --> 01:07:50.750
really nicely on a little platter of
1645
01:07:50.750 --> 01:07:53.530
here's a really cool storyline that you can do.
1646
01:07:54.270 --> 01:07:56.430
But yeah, we'll see where the future holds.
1647
01:07:56.870 --> 01:07:58.210
And I'm in the same boat as you.
1648
01:07:58.390 --> 01:07:59.650
I'm not a fucking booker.
1649
01:08:00.150 --> 01:08:03.550
I am not gonna tell you how to do this a better way
1650
01:08:03.550 --> 01:08:05.110
because I sure as shit don't know,
1651
01:08:05.310 --> 01:08:07.170
but I can at least point out what I don't like
1652
01:08:07.670 --> 01:08:09.350
and we can move from there.
1653
01:08:10.430 --> 01:08:11.530
Story of my fucking life.
1654
01:08:11.570 --> 01:08:12.930
Hey, Blade, how do you like this artwork
1655
01:08:12.930 --> 01:08:13.970
I created for the show?
1656
01:08:14.190 --> 01:08:15.930
Well, let me tell you what I don't like about it.
1657
01:08:15.930 --> 01:08:16.710
Yeah, let me start there.
1658
01:08:16.729 --> 01:08:17.670
And it's back to the drawing board.
1659
01:08:17.710 --> 01:08:18.890
Let me start there, yeah.
1660
01:08:19.710 --> 01:08:21.710
Blurry line, All In has a track record
1661
01:08:21.710 --> 01:08:23.170
of being a celebration of pro wrestling.
1662
01:08:23.270 --> 01:08:25.430
All Out has a track record for harrowing crimes
1663
01:08:25.430 --> 01:08:27.270
and misery to bring you back down
1664
01:08:27.270 --> 01:08:29.130
to your gritty impoverished existence.
1665
01:08:29.310 --> 01:08:30.689
That is so true.
1666
01:08:31.090 --> 01:08:34.010
Since All In started, All Out is like,
1667
01:08:34.010 --> 01:08:36.910
oh yeah, back to the fucking danger zone.
1668
01:08:38.069 --> 01:08:38.550
Tragic.
1669
01:08:39.529 --> 01:08:39.670
Yeah.
1670
01:08:39.670 --> 01:08:41.930
Benny the Bear Revolution is usually a great
1671
01:08:41.930 --> 01:08:43.010
pay-per-view but gets forgotten
1672
01:08:43.010 --> 01:08:45.029
because of how great every other pay-per-view is
1673
01:08:45.029 --> 01:08:45.850
come year end awards.
1674
01:08:46.130 --> 01:08:46.550
Absolutely.
1675
01:08:46.550 --> 01:08:47.729
Last year.
1676
01:08:47.729 --> 01:08:49.069
It is usually consistent.
1677
01:08:49.590 --> 01:08:51.710
Dave Meltzer said that they had three five star
1678
01:08:51.710 --> 01:08:53.569
matches in a row, like.
1679
01:08:53.569 --> 01:08:53.990
Right?
1680
01:08:54.750 --> 01:08:56.970
Osprey and Fletcher in the cage.
1681
01:08:57.529 --> 01:08:57.870
Penny.
1682
01:08:57.990 --> 01:08:58.990
Oh yeah.
1683
01:08:59.170 --> 01:09:00.370
Penny and Takashita.
1684
01:09:00.689 --> 01:09:02.510
Oh, and the Hollywood ending.
1685
01:09:03.350 --> 01:09:03.729
So like.
1686
01:09:04.350 --> 01:09:05.029
Jesus Christ.
1687
01:09:05.270 --> 01:09:06.069
Jesus Christ.
1688
01:09:06.390 --> 01:09:08.069
Yeti Malone, Helen the Cell being a regular
1689
01:09:08.069 --> 01:09:09.790
pay-per-view really hamstrung the E into
1690
01:09:09.790 --> 01:09:11.729
having a bunch of big feuds boil over
1691
01:09:11.729 --> 01:09:12.609
at the same time.
1692
01:09:12.870 --> 01:09:13.390
Exactly.
1693
01:09:13.569 --> 01:09:16.350
Or building up a feud to be a big blood feud
1694
01:09:16.350 --> 01:09:17.970
kind of inorganically.
1695
01:09:18.370 --> 01:09:21.069
And so, because you've got it culminated at.
1696
01:09:22.149 --> 01:09:24.870
You have to do it at this specific time.
1697
01:09:25.090 --> 01:09:27.689
I am shocked quite honestly that the Fiend,
1698
01:09:28.270 --> 01:09:30.189
Seth Rollins thing did not kill that match.
1699
01:09:32.330 --> 01:09:34.830
Oh, was that where they had the maggots on the?
1700
01:09:35.029 --> 01:09:38.210
No, that was Randy versus Wyatt at WrestleMania.
1701
01:09:38.210 --> 01:09:39.330
What was the one with the Fiend?
1702
01:09:39.790 --> 01:09:42.270
The Fiend was Seth versus the Fiend
1703
01:09:42.270 --> 01:09:44.490
and like Seth kept hitting his finishers
1704
01:09:44.490 --> 01:09:46.630
and the Fiend like no sold them.
1705
01:09:46.990 --> 01:09:48.689
And the Fiend had a big hammer.
1706
01:09:50.149 --> 01:09:54.210
And the match ended in a disqualification
1707
01:09:54.910 --> 01:09:57.170
or a no contest in a Helen the Cell.
1708
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.560
And it ended with the crowd getting AEW.
1709
01:10:06.510 --> 01:10:08.290
Oh yeah, they had the red cell.
1710
01:10:08.570 --> 01:10:10.010
Yes, drowned in red light.
1711
01:10:10.050 --> 01:10:11.210
So no one could see shit.
1712
01:10:11.290 --> 01:10:13.070
Oh, I remember that too.
1713
01:10:13.870 --> 01:10:15.690
It ended in a DQ.
1714
01:10:16.930 --> 01:10:25.350
No, no, no, it's no, it's like when has Satan
1715
01:10:25.350 --> 01:10:27.390
ever disqualified someone?
1716
01:10:27.870 --> 01:10:28.250
Right, right, right.
1717
01:10:28.250 --> 01:10:28.890
It's the fucking Helen the Cell.
1718
01:10:28.890 --> 01:10:29.230
Right, exactly.
1719
01:10:29.350 --> 01:10:34.770
This isn't hell, it's more like Arkansas in a Cell.
1720
01:10:36.250 --> 01:10:41.090
Right, well guys, y'all are beautiful.
1721
01:10:41.770 --> 01:10:42.250
You guys.
1722
01:10:43.050 --> 01:10:44.490
One of you isn't though.
1723
01:10:45.830 --> 01:10:48.690
Well, you're talking about me, right?
1724
01:10:48.910 --> 01:10:49.710
I'm not talking about you.
1725
01:10:49.790 --> 01:10:50.850
You're fucking gorgeous.
1726
01:10:50.910 --> 01:10:51.630
What are you talking about?
1727
01:10:52.030 --> 01:10:52.450
Thanks, baby.
1728
01:10:52.510 --> 01:10:53.970
We're talking about the people who are listening.
1729
01:10:54.150 --> 01:10:54.670
Oh, thank you.
1730
01:10:54.670 --> 01:10:55.450
All of you are beautiful.
1731
01:10:56.030 --> 01:10:57.630
One of you listening to this is the last thing left.
1732
01:10:57.650 --> 01:11:00.150
One of you listening to the show is not beautiful.
1733
01:11:00.690 --> 01:11:02.410
But it's because you're not beautiful on the inside.
1734
01:11:02.810 --> 01:11:03.790
You know who you are.
1735
01:11:04.250 --> 01:11:06.110
It's time to start changing things, okay?
1736
01:11:06.130 --> 01:11:06.610
He's freak.
1737
01:11:08.110 --> 01:11:10.670
When I'm the one telling you to change your fucking life
1738
01:11:10.670 --> 01:11:12.170
that means you know it's time to change.
1739
01:11:14.460 --> 01:11:16.280
Anyway, the rest of you are awesome.
1740
01:11:16.280 --> 01:11:17.660
Are we signing off?
1741
01:11:18.040 --> 01:11:18.660
We're signing off.
1742
01:11:19.120 --> 01:11:21.300
Do you remember what my sign off is?
1743
01:11:21.580 --> 01:11:22.500
No. I don't remember it.
1744
01:11:22.900 --> 01:11:25.540
It's something to the effect of I'm Professor Degree.
1745
01:11:25.620 --> 01:11:26.820
This is iBlade Daily.
1746
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:29.280
He's the host of Sit Down, Shut Up, Mark Out,
1747
01:11:29.480 --> 01:11:31.840
which you should also be listening to if you're not.
1748
01:11:32.780 --> 01:11:35.680
It's a lot like this show with 100% less meat.
1749
01:11:36.040 --> 01:11:38.520
So maybe that's a huge positive.
1750
01:11:39.080 --> 01:11:41.660
Pro wrestling forever for everyone.
1751
01:11:42.700 --> 01:11:44.320
For all people for all time.
1752
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:46.960
For all people for all time.
1753
01:11:47.240 --> 01:11:48.240
Everybody's involved.
1754
01:11:48.440 --> 01:11:48.900
We like you.
1755
01:11:48.980 --> 01:11:50.260
We want you to like the show.
1756
01:11:50.480 --> 01:11:51.460
Something like that.
1757
01:11:51.580 --> 01:11:52.660
We're professionals.
1758
01:11:53.340 --> 01:11:53.960
Pro wrestling.
1759
01:11:54.820 --> 01:11:57.420
Yeah, everything for the stars forever.
1760
01:11:58.900 --> 01:11:59.480
That was terrible.
1761
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:00.400
Pro wrestling.
1762
01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:01.800
It was fucking horrible.
1763
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:03.660
Pro wrestling forever.