Pro Wrestling Forever Ep. 01

Apr 29

Best Worst Wrestlers?!

The debut episode of Pro Wrestling Forever wastes no time getting strange—in the best possible way. Professor Degree and Blade Daily kick things off with the beautifully chaotic concept of the “Best Worst Wrestler,” diving deep into wrestling history, classic wrestling, and the kind of vintage wrestling debates that never really have clean answers. What makes a wrestler “bad” in the first place? Is it poor in-ring work, weak promos, lack of charisma—or is it the disconnect between what they should have been and what they actually became? From territory-era curiosities to modern-day contradictions, the conversation pulls apart decades of conventional wisdom and exposes just how flimsy some of those long-held beliefs really are.

But this isn’t about dunking on wrestlers—it’s about celebrating the weird, contradictory magic that defines pro wrestling. The fellas explore how some performers thrived because of their flaws, while others couldn’t overcome them despite having every physical or athletic advantage imaginable. It’s equal parts wrestling nostalgia, analysis, and unfiltered debate, embracing the absurd alongside the legendary. Pro Wrestling Forever plants its flag early: no gatekeeping, no sacred cows—just honest, sometimes ridiculous conversation about the art form in all its forms. And if this first episode is any indication, the “Best Worst Wrestler” debate is only just getting started.

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Pro Wrestling fans, and welcome to the first episode of Pro Wrestling Forever.
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I'm your host, the toast to the Third Coast Professor degree, and with me as always, that's
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iBladeDaily.
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So, why Pro Wrestling Forever?
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Well, because we're both approaching 50 here.
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I'm pretty sure this is not just a fad.
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I think maybe we might be wrestling fans for the long haul.
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What's the point?
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Does the world need another podcast from a couple of middle-aged white dudes?
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Are there really any avenues of professional wrestling that have not been dissected and
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picked apart to death?
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That's where we would like to do things a little bit differently, folks.
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As Blade reminds you guys every single week on our sister so, sit down, shut up, and
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mark out, we don't talk about ratings, we don't want to talk about numbers, we
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don't want to talk about things like that, but we have both been watching since
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we were kids, and we'd like to think we know what we're talking about.
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We're not going to tell you how to watch things.
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We're not going to tell you how things should be done.
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We're not going to tell you what to watch or how to watch it.
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We're not going to talk down to you because we are peers in this situation, but what
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we will tell you is we will tell you what we like about professional wrestling
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and a little bit about what we don't.
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Beyond that, we just want to talk.
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There's a comment section.
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We want you to talk to us throughout the show while we're live.
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We want it to be a discussion.
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I don't want to sit here for two hours and try to get clicks, okay?
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I want to actually converse with you folks.
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I want to talk about toys.
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We want to talk about ice cream bars and action figures.
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I want to talk about WCW Cologne, for real.
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Pro wrestling is what brought Blade and I together as friends, and I would
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like to extend that camaraderie.
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We would like to extend that camaraderie.
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I say I because I'm the host.
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You're the cohost.
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Show's live.
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Leave some comments.
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We'll try to answer all of them.
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We want you to challenge us.
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Pro wrestling forever is not about sacred cows.
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It is about talking really, really fast.
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The marquee says professional wrestling, but the sign outside the door
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says no gods, no masters, no gatekeepers and no holds barred,
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motherfuckers.
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And we intend to stick to that.
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For the most part.
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Yeah, basically, the good old days are bullshit.
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OK, like pro wrestling isn't meant to be any one thing or another.
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Wrestling from all eras has great and greatly terrible stuff.
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And we celebrate it all, baby.
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So, you know, make sure you subscribe to our channel.
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Pro wrestling forever pod on YouTube if you haven't already.
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We are pro wrestling forever pod.
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And then on blue sky, we are pro wrestling the number four ever
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that B sky dot social because they have stupid usernames.
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And I'm trying to get the granola out of my teeth.
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I'm not doing cocaine right now, just so you know, so pro.
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So this is the last part that I scripted.
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And then I'm never going to read from a script again.
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Professional wrestling is a lot of things to a lot of people,
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and it is nothing if not contradictory.
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Professional wrestling is hyper masculine.
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It is misogynistic and it is exploitative.
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It's also an action packed drag show.
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It's burlesque. It's theater.
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It is gymnastics and it is art for every single rule.
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There's an exception.
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And professional wrestling fans have the ability to talk out of both
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sides of our mouth and our ass at the same time.
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And with that in mind, this is where I segue into our first topic.
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Yes. Well, thank you to greet this.
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Our first topic today.
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We saw that the promotional graphics that were created
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by a very talented artist named me.
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Our topic today is best worst wrestlers, OK?
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Look, Dave Meltzer as a type, Rick Flair, Terry Funk,
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Brett Hart, Mitzaharu Misawa, Kenta Kabashi, Eddie Guerrero,
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Brian Danielson, Kenny Omega, Will Ospreay, et cetera.
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And those to name a few.
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Yeah, those are obviously incredible wrestlers
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that deserve tons of recognition.
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They are heavy work rate wrestlers who are also great talkers
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tell great stories like
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just because you're good at every aspect of wrestling means you're the best.
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Not in pro wrestling, baby, not in pro wrestling.
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The beauty of the art form is there is no golden rule.
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That's always true.
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There are some people that are monstrously untalented
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grapplers, but great talkers or vice versa.
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Great talkers who can't work for shit
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or some that can't do either, but still have so much presence
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in order that they don't really need to.
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These are the heroes that we're celebrating today.
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Specifically, there are some wrestlers that the IWC or the newsletter
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heads pre-internet just had the biggest heart on for.
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And they love to mock them.
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And those takes have just aged like shit.
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And we're going to get into that.
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But right now, I want to just shout out everybody who's in the in the chat
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right now, blurry line, no gods, except Kenny, no kings,
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except Brody, no masters, except what?
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It's a T-shirt, right?
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And Pippen, the good old days were never as good as you remember.
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That is true, because I have quite an extensive, extensive
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collection of wrestling stuff I've legally acquired.
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And I will say going back and watching the stuff
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that I was so excited to see, it is not as good as I remember it.
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Most of the time.
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And especially when you hear people like, oh, I mean,
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you don't hear this so much anymore.
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But back a few years ago, it was bring back the attitude era,
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bring back the attitude era.
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You fucking watch the attitude era.
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You can watch about 15 minutes of every episode.
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You just fast forward through the rest.
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It really is mostly like go watch Stone Cold's promo that night
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or his match or whatever, or the rocks bits or whatever.
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And then kind of everything else is just maybe,
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you know, like maybe.
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Yeah. And you hit a point eventually where even with the rock,
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he just says the same thing every single week.
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So you can just skip that, you know, watch the one from two weeks ago.
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Um, so the thing that got this ball rolling
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when I pitched this idea to Blade, of all things,
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I was watching this is actually a while back.
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It was like a Madison Square Garden house show
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from WWF back in the early 80s.
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And it was Hulk Hogan versus Kamala,
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which is not a match we probably want to really discuss
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for a lot of reasons.
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But the thing that got me is.
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This is where you talk about work great.
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And I'm a work great guy.
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You know, we I mean, the names you named
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some of my favorite fucking wrestlers.
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Yeah, they're all my favorite wrestlers.
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Yes, exactly.
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I'm a big fan of the Zack Sabre Juniors, the Jonathan Gresham's,
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the Deanna Parrazo's, the fucking people that tie you up in a knot.
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I like that shit, too.
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But I'm watching Hulk Hogan wrestle, and
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it's very easy to criticize Hulk Hogan's wrestling.
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He can't wrestle.
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He has zero work rate.
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But to say that he can't work.
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Is just patently ridiculous, at least not in 1982 or 83,
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because that dude had the crowd in the palm of his hand.
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And a lot of it is PR,
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you know, good PR in the part of the WWF.
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You know, just 80s, the spirit of the 80s.
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But there's that whole thing with wrestlers where it's why do you
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you know, a lot of the older guys will tell you, don't do don't work so hard.
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You don't have to work that hard.
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You only have to do a little bit.
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And that guy knew what he was doing.
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You know what I mean?
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That guy basically got his ass kicked for fucking 20 minutes.
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Did this for a minute.
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And then all of a sudden, the crowd fucking went wild.
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But the crowd went wild.
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The other thing is, they knew he was going to everything he was going to do.
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They knew was coming like you're just waiting for it to happen.
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He's going to kick out of whoever's finisher it is he's facing, right?
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He's going to act like he's impervious to pain.
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He's going to do the same routine.
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Shake his finger.
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He's going to shake his finger, the point at him.
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You know, you know, the do the fist thing like.
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The thing about Hogan that I will say is
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I think he was more talented than people want to give him
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credit for as an actual wrestler, not a grappler per se.
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Right. Like, but like you said, like, there's no way
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that you get to that point of over, no matter how much PR there is.
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Look at Roman Reigns in 2016.
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Yeah, there's no amount of PR that can get you over to the degree.
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He's over. Right. So like.
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Um, he yeah, he certainly showed more of what he could do.
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I would, you know, yeti Malone says Hogan only wrestled in Japan
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in the U.S. e-sports entertained.
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That's true.
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But I think if you go back and you watch Hogan in 84, 85, 86,
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he's a different worker than he is in 87, 88 and beyond.
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Right. And there does reach a point.
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We talked about this last week and I was talking about Hogan
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is my least favorite wrestler because he is my least favorite wrestler.
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Neither one of us is a Hogan fan.
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No, fuck that.
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I hate that, dude.
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Both like Terry Balaya and Hulk Hogan.
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But because when you do this is why I don't really have a lot of nostalgia,
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because when you do the same thing over and over and over,
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it just gets old. Yeah.
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Hulk Hogan, John Cena, you know, these five move guys.
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Have you watched a Ric Flair match?
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Because it eventually hits a point where he's just doing the same five moves, too.
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So it's not that it didn't get old.
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It definitely got old because he never tried to reinvent himself, you know.
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But boy, 83, 84, 85, whatever.
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Like shit worked.
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And at the time, that's what you do is you do what works, you know.
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Yeah, yeah. And I think, you know, he's
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I just watched the real American documentary series
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that Netflix put out about him.
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Oh, is it? It sucks.
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It's so it's a commercial.
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It is. But it's not a commercial for him.
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It's a commercial for WWE.
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So like they gloss over absolutely everything.
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Good things, bad things, all things.
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They gloss over everything.
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Because to be fair to the guy, his career is so voluminous.
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Like there's so many things that happen. Right.
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To drill in on any one, you would need more than four episodes.
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Oh, sure. But my God, like the sex tape stuff,
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just like two minutes like. Right.
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Nobody wants to think about this.
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Ten years of time, you know.
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They do kind of point out how delusional he is a few times.
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But, you know, it's kind of this effort to in one way,
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maybe not humanize him, but like show the converse
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like he was a human being to some degree. Right.
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Where it's like, here's his family.
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They're talking about how they grew up.
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They have all these home videos that they're showing.
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So if you're an archivist
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and you just want to know more about Hulk Hogan, then I'd say watch it.
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But honestly, it really is just like they broadcast raw.
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And so they have these interviews with Prichard and with Triple H.
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They literally interview Prichard like minutes after he found out he died.
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Oh, my God.
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It's like that's kind of stunty weird.
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Yeah, like I don't. That's weird. But.
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Yeah. So enough about Hulk Hogan.
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Yes. Yes. But the guy.
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So just but I will stand by what I said.
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You don't get to where he is if you had no talent.
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You just don't know.
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You just and sometimes that talent is.
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Being the excellence of execution and other times
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that talent is just going like this.
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Yeah. But he did.
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I think he was the ultimate right guy, right place, right time, right gimmick.
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For sure. The the the nationalism of it all push it right over the edge.
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And yeah, what if we could take superstar Billy Graham
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and make it super commercial, you know, 100 percent?
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I mean, that's just all that it is.
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But on another note, go ahead.
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Well, superstar, he's a celebrated guy, right?
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But if you watch the superstar Billy Graham match, that motherfucker
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barely moves like he barely moves.
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He finishes the guy off with a bear hug, right?
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That's his move. However.
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You listen to a superstar Billy Graham promo.
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Yeah, dude, dude, I'm like in I'm all the way and I want to see
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another match and I'm like, it's just as bad as the last one.
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But like, it's also just like he is a very compelling figure.
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So anyway, go ahead. Sorry.
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Well, and speaking of superstar Billy Graham, that's a perfect way for me
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to segue into the next topic, Dusty Rhodes, who is everybody's fucking favorite.
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It's my favorite, too.
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But it ain't like Dusty's fucking tearing it up in the ring.
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It's not like Dusty is he's not Kenny Omega.
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He's not putting on a, you know, Kazuchika Okada five star.
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What's the what's the hall?
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You know, in the dome or whatever.
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Yeah, not doing any of that.
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But Dusty's the same type of guy where.
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You know, you can't watch a Dusty Rhodes promo.
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Everybody has their own favorite promo and he can wrestle well enough.
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But it's more just the type of movement he does.
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It's that fucking that Looney Tunes stuff that the big wind up arm.
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It's all the over the top cartoony stuff that like you probably like Hogan.
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You know what you're going to get for the most part.
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You're there to see that.
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He's not surprising you with his matches.
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He's just ripping off Billy.
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He's not ripping off Billy Graham, but he's another aspect of Billy Graham.
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Little softer around the edges, maybe.
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But not the best wrestler, one of the best wrestlers of all time.
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You know, absolutely.
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Well, Dusty, like, for instance, like so he's kind of complex in a way
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because he's like a guy who could wrestle a one hour draw with flair.
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Right. Sure.
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But the first 20 minutes of that match is our headlocks.
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And, you know, just kind of fucking around on the mat.
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But Dusty and he's another guy where you know what he's going to do,
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you know, but you bought into his character so much.
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And I see like I said this on on the hard way.
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I said this on sit down, shut up, mark out, watching older wrestling.
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You see why so many people hated AEW when it started of the old guard,
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because it really is like they want to see the characters they like.
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It doesn't really matter what happens.
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They just want to see the character they like.
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Like you could see Jake Roberts and he can lose.
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But if he DDT's the guy after the match and puts the snake on him,
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you're happy. Right. Yeah.
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Yeah. Or if J.Y.D.
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loses, he always lost in a big match in WWF.
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Humiliates the guy.
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If he farmers throw shit on you, it doesn't matter how bad they wrestle.
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Yes. Yeah.
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I could see why a lot of people looked at AEW as being a very odd thing.
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And AEW is like the American embodiment of like New Japan come to America.
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And they've really they've had to like kind of slowly figure out
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how to, you know, make a broader outreach to the American audience.
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And they have. But but AEW is very different
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because it is matches first.
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You know, I had a I was actually talking to a coworker.
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I was training this new kid at work and they were telling me
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somehow wrestling came up.
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Can't imagine how I would have put that into the conversation.
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And they were talking about they're like,
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oh, you know, I just can't stand to see these guys in the ring
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yelling at each other all the time.
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And, you know, I know that the matches aren't really what's important.
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And it was like you could hear the record scratch in my head
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because I'm like, no, you know,
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you're you're 100 percent wrong and I'm trying not to punch you.
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But yeah, it's just that's not the method that we've had
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drilled into us for years and years and years.
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The common person doesn't.
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Yeah. AEW is going to be really fucking weird to them.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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The chat's blown up here.
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We have three lines.
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Shout out to Mabel, who managed to be the worst wrestler
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over like 15 years across three vastly different gimmicks,
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but managed consistent TV time across all those runs.
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Very true. Allegedly was almost the third man in the WHO.
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Yes, yes.
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It's alleged that at one time
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that was going to happen fucking horrible.
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But like when he was it, was he in the ministry
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when he became big?
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Oh, no, he was viscera.
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And then he became Big Daddy V where he took the shirt off
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and he just had and he had those orangutan titties
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that were just that's how he worked.
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That was his work rate right there.
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Yeah, his just watching and jiggle.
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I couldn't stand Mabel until he did that gimmick.
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Then I'm like, OK, well, like this.
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Like, I don't know.
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I like the circus aspect of rest.
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That dude made his living in pro wrestling.
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You know what I mean?
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Like that's that's making it to me.
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Let's see skewered universe.
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Hogan got to a point where he's three moves, the ear cup,
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the power up head shake shit and a leg drop.
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Agree. And that's you know, I started watching wrestling in 89.
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And so I didn't see the earlier Hogan stuff for a long, long time.
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But as I've seen his stuff from 84, 85.
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With Piper and Orndorf and stuff like that,
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like he there's more work to it.
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But by 87, certainly after Andre, I would say,
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he becomes he's very much the ear cup.
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You know, that that's pretty much all he is.
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He just becomes extremely lazy.
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And I mean, like I said, I mean, like I said last week,
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by the time I tuned in, same as you.
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He was already phoning it in.
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Well, one thing I will say is in this documentary,
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they really do talk a lot about how beat up he is, like how fucked up he is.
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And he talks a lot about if I could do one thing differently,
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the only thing differently I would do is I would stop doing the leg
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drop before I ever came back to the States,
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because the leg drop really is the reason he needed like
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he had like 25 back surgeries.
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Have you ever fallen on your tailbone?
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Yeah, it hurts.
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I heard I was on a bouncy thing one time
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and going to bounce off and I was like.
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Dude, I was sore for like a week or two afterward.
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It hurts so fucking bad.
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Is there video footage of this happening?
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No, I'm sorry. My sister-in-law is there.
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I'll get it. I'll give you a number.
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All right.
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At your own risk, Val.
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All right.
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Pippen says it's only four episodes.
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I thought it would at least be six to eight.
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Yeah, it's only four. It's only four.
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Larry Lyon says a shout out to Luke Gallows,
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like no one's accusing him of being a good worker.
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But again, he's had like a 20 year career across every company.
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And he's a guy, again, who can get you interested
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in what he's doing at the very least, you know, and Gallows.
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Yeah, he is not.
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No, no, I do not like.
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No, it's your universe prior to polka dot dance and dusty.
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I didn't know anything about his prior career until I was an adult.
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His WWE stuff to me got boring after a bit.
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Yeah, totally.
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Because he just was becoming one of its props to Dusty, though,
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because they put him in those polka dots to bury him.
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Yep. That's what I was just going to say.
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But they fucked up by letting Jimmy Hart write his song
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because that song ruled ass super hard.
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And Dusty got himself over anyway.
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Exactly.
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Because he he embraced what he was given.
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That's exactly the point is like that guy made that work.
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Like, yeah, what the fuck was that?
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Yeah, that's talent.
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Larry Line, speaking of the worst wrestlers,
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I saw the Tonga Lowe chop punch clip again today.
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I am devastated.
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Yeah. And that is I don't know what it is.
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Tonga Lowe has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
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He's just bad.
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Like, yeah, I don't want to.
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We're not just talking about people who are completely bad
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or who just have the gimmick alone is what gets them over.
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It's kind of this.
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I don't know.
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Talking to somebody in the ring.
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What's that?
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You need a big old hole to bury a big duff, baby.
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Yeah. Thank you, Billy.
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Nice to have you with us, friend.
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OK, so let's get into some of our picks.
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Yes. The best worst wrestlers ever.
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We talked about Hulk Hogan.
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Talked about Dusty Rhodes.
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We talked about death there.
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So why don't I read one off my list?
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Please do. First guy on my list, Sid Vicious.
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Now, this is a particular interest because Sid was just inducted
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into the legacy wing, the wing that they just invented this year.
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So that Stephanie McMahon could talk for 40 minutes and Sid's family
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got like two minutes to briefly acknowledge this fucking legend
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of the industry.
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Is the legacy wing supposed to be like because you're dead?
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Or I think it just means you're dead.
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Yeah. So Sid, not a great worker.
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This is not a guy who is a work great guy.
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This is not a man who probably ever wrestled a match longer than
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maybe at most 20 minutes. OK.
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And that's if he's main eventing something, you know,
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like with with somebody knew what they were doing.
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Sid is not a ring general.
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Sid clearly wasn't super dedicated to the sport itself
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because he took long, long breaks. OK.
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I was going to say, like, Sid didn't even really want to be there
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most of the time.
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It's like if he could play softball.
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Yeah, he would leave every summer to play softball.
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OK, like he clearly.
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By the definition of a great promo,
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I think it's debatable whether Sid was good or not.
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However, he was believable in those promos, right?
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And you talk like this Hulk Hogan
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and he wouldn't like move his mouth.
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He'd see through his teeth.
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But that power bomb, that choke slam and his physical charisma
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were literally all he had, and it's all he needed.
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Like he didn't even know how to be a heel properly.
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He would come out.
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So I went to the very first television taping
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I ever went to was a Monday Night Raw in 1996.
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Notable, I saw the debut of Farouk as a Roman Gladiator with Sonny.
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Shawn Michaels is the world champion.
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OK, the Undertaker's feuding with mankind.
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All right.
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So that's just to give you an idea of what's going on.
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No one got the pop that Sid did, right?
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Not even close, not even fucking close.
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Sid gets a monster pop.
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He's a heel and he's fist bumping people on his way down.
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That's not what heels do, Sid.
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That's not what heels do.
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But real recognizes real.
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And that's why that guy got fucking cheers.
479
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I mean, if you like they if you watch it now, I think it's edited.
480
00:23:21.980 --> 00:23:26.500
But like the Royal Rumble, where he pulls Hogan out, he gets cheered.
481
00:23:26.500 --> 00:23:28.680
Now, there's a lot of different reasons, probably.
482
00:23:29.280 --> 00:23:31.740
But yeah, dude, Sid was the fucking man.
483
00:23:32.360 --> 00:23:34.100
So the master and the ruler of the world.
484
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:39.420
And it's that thing where wrestling crosses the boundary of like.
485
00:23:39.820 --> 00:23:44.060
But the dirt sheets are or or the newsletter heads or whatever.
486
00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:47.220
They hated said they, you know, this guy's an idiot.
487
00:23:47.220 --> 00:23:49.880
He can't work, you know, he's not dedicated to the business.
488
00:23:50.060 --> 00:23:53.020
And, you know, they're getting stuff from people who work in the business.
489
00:23:53.020 --> 00:23:56.340
So I can see why if you were like somebody
490
00:23:56.340 --> 00:23:59.700
who is fighting for table scraps every single day and said,
491
00:23:59.700 --> 00:24:01.400
this shows up and gets it.
492
00:24:01.580 --> 00:24:05.400
Big genetic freak shows up and just takes your spot.
493
00:24:06.040 --> 00:24:08.820
And Sid clearly knew he knew his value.
494
00:24:08.980 --> 00:24:09.780
He knew his worth.
495
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:11.700
He didn't really fucking care.
496
00:24:11.800 --> 00:24:12.600
He had a farm.
497
00:24:12.780 --> 00:24:14.880
He just go. He'd go back to his farm.
498
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:15.840
He'd play softball.
499
00:24:15.940 --> 00:24:19.180
It's like, you know, we talk about like, I mean, obviously,
500
00:24:19.180 --> 00:24:23.100
I love it when my favorites are like a super fan of wrestling.
501
00:24:23.300 --> 00:24:24.580
I love it when they're super knowledgeable.
502
00:24:24.580 --> 00:24:28.280
I love those guys that grew up as wrestling fans and wanted to be wrestlers.
503
00:24:28.600 --> 00:24:32.380
But at the end of the day, it is a job and like can't fault Sid.
504
00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:34.460
Like he just did what he wanted to do, man.
505
00:24:34.540 --> 00:24:37.200
Like he did a super bad ass about that.
506
00:24:37.340 --> 00:24:40.240
One, his kids will say like he it was a job to him.
507
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:41.980
He didn't grow up wanting to be a wrestler.
508
00:24:41.980 --> 00:24:45.080
Like it just was something he could do and make a bunch of money doing.
509
00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.620
You know, so like he didn't even do it that well.
510
00:24:48.620 --> 00:24:50.220
But fucking he's cool.
511
00:24:50.340 --> 00:24:52.920
He did so much of it pretty bad, actually.
512
00:24:53.060 --> 00:24:56.700
But it didn't matter because he was so
513
00:24:57.420 --> 00:24:58.860
the aura was there.
514
00:24:58.900 --> 00:25:01.420
You know what I mean? The aura was there. Absolutely.
515
00:25:01.900 --> 00:25:03.940
Remember the time he broke his leg on Nitro?
516
00:25:04.020 --> 00:25:05.800
I just want to bring that up real quick.
517
00:25:06.020 --> 00:25:08.080
It's fucking nasty as shit I've ever seen.
518
00:25:08.380 --> 00:25:10.440
Well, and like we're live, pal.
519
00:25:10.520 --> 00:25:13.520
That comes from a Sid promo where he's like, can we do it again?
520
00:25:13.520 --> 00:25:15.080
And Jim's like, we're live, pal.
521
00:25:15.080 --> 00:25:17.400
Like it messes up a promo.
522
00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:20.740
He said the wrong thing in a promo, like a million times.
523
00:25:20.820 --> 00:25:24.560
Like, yeah, you have a bigger.
524
00:25:26.040 --> 00:25:27.860
Brain that I do.
525
00:25:28.080 --> 00:25:30.820
Yeah, and I have a bigger
526
00:25:31.660 --> 00:25:32.660
like he did.
527
00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:34.560
We get lost in promos all the time.
528
00:25:34.760 --> 00:25:37.700
He makes Luger look like a great promo, but somehow
529
00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:40.440
that's actually what makes his promo work.
530
00:25:40.600 --> 00:25:43.060
You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah.
531
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:44.360
Fuck yes. It's awesome.
532
00:25:44.360 --> 00:25:46.240
People are talking about Sid here.
533
00:25:46.340 --> 00:25:49.120
Yeah, let's let's see what the people say about Sid.
534
00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:51.660
And we have a few other comments that we'll read as well.
535
00:25:51.800 --> 00:25:53.480
Steward Universe. What's up, buddy?
536
00:25:53.900 --> 00:25:57.100
Sid wanted to play softball more than anything, but you got to love him.
537
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:01.120
Yeah, I Billy, I don't think it has to be a good worker.
538
00:26:01.120 --> 00:26:04.040
He has to look scary and just throw people around the whole time.
539
00:26:04.080 --> 00:26:07.220
That dude is an effing monster. Exactly. Yeah.
540
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:08.760
And if you're a little kid
541
00:26:08.760 --> 00:26:12.840
and you see this six foot eight freak just show up.
542
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:15.040
He ripped to shit.
543
00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:17.360
He's avoided to the gills.
544
00:26:17.660 --> 00:26:20.200
Sid is a perfect example of being good enough.
545
00:26:20.580 --> 00:26:21.720
Yeah, you know. Yeah.
546
00:26:21.840 --> 00:26:23.300
I mean, that's that's what he is.
547
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:29.300
We reviewed 89 great American bash together for the hard way.
548
00:26:29.860 --> 00:26:35.380
And they're like Sid put a claw hold on somebody's back.
549
00:26:35.540 --> 00:26:36.780
Oh, yeah.
550
00:26:37.340 --> 00:26:39.640
And it was like, what are what are you doing?
551
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.160
Hey, what do you just squeeze in the skin on your back?
552
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:46.380
Well, I guess I guess I assumed he's like getting like the muscle,
553
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:47.440
like he's getting in there.
554
00:26:47.620 --> 00:26:50.720
But they all yeah, like he's giving him a massage or something.
555
00:26:50.720 --> 00:26:52.480
It's like, what are you doing, dude?
556
00:26:52.740 --> 00:26:57.260
Like, oh, hey, I'm full screen.
557
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.140
I don't know what just happened.
558
00:27:01.120 --> 00:27:02.620
Ladies and gentlemen, this is our first episode.
559
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:05.680
We're experiencing some technical difficulties for now.
560
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:06.840
You're just going to have to look at me.
561
00:27:06.840 --> 00:27:08.060
I don't know what's going on.
562
00:27:08.520 --> 00:27:10.900
Well, shit, what the fuck was that?
563
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:13.400
Never mind.
564
00:27:13.860 --> 00:27:15.860
Anyway, there was no psychology to it at all.
565
00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:18.020
Somebody clearly said, like, said, if you get a chance
566
00:27:18.020 --> 00:27:19.580
when you're in the ring, don't do too much.
567
00:27:19.580 --> 00:27:21.160
Just put a nerve hold on him or something.
568
00:27:21.500 --> 00:27:23.080
And that's what Sid thought he was doing.
569
00:27:23.180 --> 00:27:25.460
He's like, well, there's nerves in the back.
570
00:27:27.040 --> 00:27:29.560
Yeti Malone said wrestled in between softball seasons.
571
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:30.600
I mean, it's really true.
572
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:32.240
It is really true. Yeah.
573
00:27:32.900 --> 00:27:35.540
But somehow like that, just yeah, like he the dirt
574
00:27:35.540 --> 00:27:36.860
she's tried to bury him for it.
575
00:27:37.360 --> 00:27:39.720
Who fucking cares what the dirt she's
576
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.660
their fucking takes are so dumb.
577
00:27:41.780 --> 00:27:44.660
Like if you really want to laugh your ass off, go read
578
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.800
the pro wrestling torch from like 1989.
579
00:27:48.080 --> 00:27:49.840
It's hilarious. Those guys are it.
580
00:27:49.840 --> 00:27:50.840
Right. Well, the dirt
581
00:27:50.840 --> 00:27:53.000
the dirt sheets would have you believe that Mabel
582
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:54.700
was going to be the third man in the interview.
583
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:56.460
Oh, so there you go.
584
00:27:56.620 --> 00:27:58.700
Blurry line legacy wing has existed for a while,
585
00:27:58.700 --> 00:28:00.740
but it was always meant for folks who were so old
586
00:28:00.740 --> 00:28:02.160
that only black and white photos of.
587
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.400
But they change it to basically be the people they didn't induct
588
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:06.700
whilst alive.
589
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:09.040
Agreed. Agreed.
590
00:28:09.060 --> 00:28:11.260
Blurry line said is a go to best worst wrestler.
591
00:28:11.420 --> 00:28:13.060
Like on paper, everything was terrible,
592
00:28:13.060 --> 00:28:14.420
but he had ridiculous charisma.
593
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:18.420
That's literally like he proves that that's kind of all you need.
594
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:19.640
You know what?
595
00:28:20.020 --> 00:28:23.240
Because the opposite side of the coin
596
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:28.760
is Van Hammer, who also had the look, but had nothing.
597
00:28:28.940 --> 00:28:30.480
Right. And right.
598
00:28:30.520 --> 00:28:34.040
Yeah. I mean, he's just like, so if you want to say to yourself,
599
00:28:34.780 --> 00:28:38.100
imagine if Sid didn't have the charisma or the aura,
600
00:28:38.280 --> 00:28:39.980
you just go, he would be Van Hammer.
601
00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:41.640
You just be Van Hammer. Yeah.
602
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:43.180
I mean, it's that people talk.
603
00:28:43.900 --> 00:28:47.600
Everybody that talks about wrestling loves to talk about the intangible,
604
00:28:47.700 --> 00:28:49.200
the intangible, right?
605
00:28:49.280 --> 00:28:51.920
Like, oh, he's got that that certain something.
606
00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:54.140
That's that's what Sid had.
607
00:28:54.580 --> 00:28:56.620
I wasn't skilled, but he had that intangible.
608
00:28:56.800 --> 00:28:59.280
Yeti Malone says, I can't wait for a certain someone to move
609
00:28:59.280 --> 00:29:00.040
to the legacy wing.
610
00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:02.620
I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeti Malone.
611
00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:03.340
I can't imagine.
612
00:29:03.340 --> 00:29:06.620
Are you talking about Donald Trump, the current president of the United States,
613
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:08.480
who's also a WWE Hall of Famer?
614
00:29:08.500 --> 00:29:10.100
He could be moved to the legacy wing.
615
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.660
He could very quickly be moved to the legacy wing yet.
616
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:14.720
Skewered Universe.
617
00:29:15.040 --> 00:29:16.240
Sid was just someone you couldn't help.
618
00:29:16.380 --> 00:29:18.160
But like he had a style that worked.
619
00:29:18.300 --> 00:29:21.380
Giant muscular dude who just beat the shit out of people. Exactly.
620
00:29:21.900 --> 00:29:24.420
The little mullet when he just had like that little bit
621
00:29:24.420 --> 00:29:26.120
and it just looked like he took ramen noodles
622
00:29:26.120 --> 00:29:30.840
and they were kind of sticking out of the bag like ramen packet.
623
00:29:30.840 --> 00:29:33.880
And it was just like move in one piece.
624
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:35.540
Oh, this is like like a lamb.
625
00:29:36.220 --> 00:29:38.720
He was always on top of his perms.
626
00:29:39.020 --> 00:29:40.680
Pippen, does the boogeyman count?
627
00:29:40.800 --> 00:29:41.980
I don't think he ever had a great match,
628
00:29:42.020 --> 00:29:43.600
but dude found a gimmick that made an impact.
629
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:45.600
I think so. I think you could.
630
00:29:45.800 --> 00:29:46.700
I mean, people think.
631
00:29:46.900 --> 00:29:48.880
Yeah, there was something intriguing about the book.
632
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.520
Well, he was also like 50 and he lied about his age
633
00:29:52.520 --> 00:29:53.760
to get into tough enough.
634
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:57.620
And then they got rid of him.
635
00:29:57.620 --> 00:29:58.820
And then they just made him eat worms.
636
00:29:58.820 --> 00:30:01.420
I mean, he beat Booker T at a WrestleMania.
637
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.780
Did he? Yeah, I didn't know that.
638
00:30:05.780 --> 00:30:06.860
Oh, thank you, Larry Line.
639
00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:09.940
I'm half the man you are.
640
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.400
And you have half the brains you do.
641
00:30:13.900 --> 00:30:15.680
Yeah, that's a classic Sid promo.
642
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:16.960
Classic Sid promo.
643
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:19.040
Thank you, Billy LaVon.
644
00:30:19.100 --> 00:30:20.740
Sid looks like a real live version of that dude
645
00:30:20.740 --> 00:30:22.140
from the Venture Brothers cartoon.
646
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:22.980
Very true.
647
00:30:23.180 --> 00:30:24.820
Much. Yes.
648
00:30:24.940 --> 00:30:27.360
Yes, I had the yeah.
649
00:30:28.900 --> 00:30:32.160
Billy also says Bruiser Brody worked whenever he wanted to work as well,
650
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.760
but people still give Sid shit over the softball thing.
651
00:30:34.840 --> 00:30:35.780
It's the same thing to me.
652
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.760
All those Japan guys, they had more than half the year off.
653
00:30:39.300 --> 00:30:42.080
You know, they would go work in Japan and make so much fucking money
654
00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:45.440
over there that they, you know, they worked like 20 weeks a year,
655
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:46.640
basically, is what they worked.
656
00:30:46.800 --> 00:30:49.940
And that's why Stan Hansen wrestled for like 40 years.
657
00:30:51.060 --> 00:30:53.460
So anyway, we're going to move on from Sid,
658
00:30:54.040 --> 00:30:56.060
but I'm glad you all seem to agree.
659
00:30:56.060 --> 00:30:59.160
Wait, Benny Bear in the chat says, hey, I'll sit in.
660
00:30:59.180 --> 00:31:00.440
ECW was another beast.
661
00:31:00.700 --> 00:31:02.280
Show up, powerbomb, leave.
662
00:31:03.540 --> 00:31:04.720
I've never seen anything.
663
00:31:04.900 --> 00:31:06.060
How long was Sid even in?
664
00:31:06.120 --> 00:31:08.420
I think it was for like two months, three months.
665
00:31:08.580 --> 00:31:10.760
He he was a contracted guy in ECW.
666
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.480
But by that point, Sid just showed up in jeans.
667
00:31:13.780 --> 00:31:15.640
Like he didn't even show up in the fight.
668
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.020
He just show up, powerbomb a dude and get the fuck out.
669
00:31:18.060 --> 00:31:21.720
He basically took over for 9-1-1, you know, just
670
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.220
totally fucking lazy, you know, Larry Line.
671
00:31:26.060 --> 00:31:27.520
You want some spoilers here?
672
00:31:27.520 --> 00:31:30.300
I feel like Bill Goldberg is also in the best worst mold,
673
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:32.440
was literally terrible at everything he ever tried.
674
00:31:32.620 --> 00:31:35.800
He couldn't even do a car punch spot without actually gashing his arm open.
675
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:38.760
And this is the point you blew my spot,
676
00:31:38.860 --> 00:31:40.340
but we might as well get into this.
677
00:31:41.420 --> 00:31:42.300
Was he one of your picks?
678
00:31:42.620 --> 00:31:45.580
Yeah. So Bill Goldberg.
679
00:31:47.760 --> 00:31:50.620
I am a Bret Hart is my goat, OK?
680
00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:55.060
But I have been accused of being a Bill Goldberg lover.
681
00:31:55.820 --> 00:31:57.260
I'm not a Bill Goldberg lover.
682
00:31:57.540 --> 00:32:01.140
He's absolutely the opposite of everything
683
00:32:01.140 --> 00:32:04.160
that I ever would have picked as my favorite wrestler.
684
00:32:04.380 --> 00:32:07.300
OK, like he wouldn't be in my personal Hall of Fame.
685
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:09.480
But Larry Line's correct.
686
00:32:09.820 --> 00:32:13.120
This guy had nothing, couldn't work.
687
00:32:13.580 --> 00:32:15.820
He hurt people a lot.
688
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:19.600
Kind of he's kind of like a better version of the ultimate warrior.
689
00:32:19.860 --> 00:32:22.460
We're like, that's exactly what I was going to compare.
690
00:32:22.660 --> 00:32:23.240
He's the horse.
691
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.200
Because if I was seven, I would have fucking went apeshit over Bill Goldberg.
692
00:32:27.320 --> 00:32:29.100
He's the horse that you can lead to water
693
00:32:29.100 --> 00:32:31.060
if you have him in there with the right guy.
694
00:32:31.220 --> 00:32:33.260
Warrior, not even that, like warrior.
695
00:32:33.540 --> 00:32:36.100
No, I always felt like warrior got too much shit.
696
00:32:36.100 --> 00:32:37.300
And then we saw some warrior shit.
697
00:32:37.300 --> 00:32:40.320
And I'm like, this guy does not know what he's doing, like at all.
698
00:32:40.320 --> 00:32:42.100
Oh, he's worse than I ever thought.
699
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:44.820
Yeah, he's actually far worse than the bad.
700
00:32:44.980 --> 00:32:46.320
I already knew he was.
701
00:32:46.360 --> 00:32:50.300
Yeah, I watched a two hour documentary of other wrestlers
702
00:32:50.300 --> 00:32:51.760
shitting on the ultimate warrior.
703
00:32:52.180 --> 00:32:54.800
And it doesn't go far enough far enough.
704
00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:57.760
He's really worse than they even said there.
705
00:32:58.100 --> 00:33:01.280
Yeah, but Goldberg could do a couple things,
706
00:33:01.860 --> 00:33:03.620
but his intensity was real.
707
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:06.540
You know, you could buy the intensity.
708
00:33:06.740 --> 00:33:10.120
And if you had him in there with a Chris Benoit or a diamond
709
00:33:10.120 --> 00:33:12.980
Dallas page, sorry, Chris Benoit was a great worker.
710
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:14.480
I mean, he just was like,
711
00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:18.800
if you put him in there with with Sting or somebody like that,
712
00:33:18.800 --> 00:33:20.580
they could lead him to water, you know?
713
00:33:21.260 --> 00:33:21.580
Yeah.
714
00:33:21.800 --> 00:33:25.500
DDP is another good example of a guy that's like he was what?
715
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:27.340
Fifty seven when he started wrestling.
716
00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:29.060
Thirty five. Yeah.
717
00:33:29.580 --> 00:33:30.920
Yeah, not.
718
00:33:31.120 --> 00:33:34.260
I mean, like, you're never going to say that DDP is like,
719
00:33:34.260 --> 00:33:37.620
you know, whatever will Osprey, but like
720
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:42.040
man, DDP had that fucking let it ride.
721
00:33:42.140 --> 00:33:43.540
DDP, let it ride.
722
00:33:43.540 --> 00:33:47.040
I fucking love that, dude, like just so fucking cool.
723
00:33:47.040 --> 00:33:48.300
I think from Nitro,
724
00:33:48.580 --> 00:33:53.620
honestly, that Nitro era from like NWO on DDP is probably my favorite guy.
725
00:33:54.560 --> 00:33:55.480
Easily. Yeah.
726
00:33:55.540 --> 00:33:56.680
He's fucking awesome.
727
00:33:56.780 --> 00:33:58.320
He's the true people's champ.
728
00:33:58.620 --> 00:34:00.160
I mean, he's yeah.
729
00:34:00.260 --> 00:34:04.080
And like everything he did was just he had charisma of that.
730
00:34:04.280 --> 00:34:05.960
And he had great matches.
731
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:07.920
I mean, he had a lot of them.
732
00:34:08.020 --> 00:34:09.659
Blair Line also talked about Goldberg,
733
00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:12.380
but also like all my non wrestling fan friends of a certain age.
734
00:34:12.380 --> 00:34:13.480
He's their favorite wrestler.
735
00:34:14.100 --> 00:34:14.620
Yeah.
736
00:34:14.620 --> 00:34:17.420
I mean, that's that's the truth.
737
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.100
You know, they brought Goldberg back.
738
00:34:21.120 --> 00:34:23.460
To have the match with Brock and he squashed Brock.
739
00:34:24.780 --> 00:34:26.780
That was actually fucking awesome,
740
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.699
like because Goldberg still had the intensity at that point.
741
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:33.040
And then they went they stuck with it way too long,
742
00:34:33.540 --> 00:34:37.360
like having do that match, then have him lose at WrestleMania to Brock
743
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:41.820
in another fantastic he's got the only five star match
744
00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:44.280
I think I've ever seen that's under five minutes long.
745
00:34:45.540 --> 00:34:48.300
Because they just threw everything at each other
746
00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:51.880
and one of them got pinned, you know, nuclear vessels acts.
747
00:34:52.040 --> 00:34:54.500
I need Netflix to do a Goldberg documentary just for them
748
00:34:54.500 --> 00:34:56.639
to get some good quotes out of Brett Hart.
749
00:34:58.200 --> 00:35:00.680
If you want some good quotes out of Bret Hart, by the way,
750
00:35:00.740 --> 00:35:01.900
that Hogan documentary.
751
00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:05.380
So Brett is like very complimentary towards Hogan
752
00:35:05.380 --> 00:35:09.640
about him as a worker, his talent level, all this stuff.
753
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:13.740
And then he talks about WrestleMania nine and Brett's going,
754
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:16.620
yeah, and then Hogan comes out at the end
755
00:35:16.620 --> 00:35:18.920
because he's my buddy to save me.
756
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.360
And they show Brett going like, go get him, Holster.
757
00:35:21.580 --> 00:35:24.540
And then they show Hogan body slamming Yoko and pinning him.
758
00:35:24.580 --> 00:35:27.820
And then they cut back to Brett and he goes, yeah, fuck you.
759
00:35:31.180 --> 00:35:33.000
He also has a drink in his hand.
760
00:35:33.200 --> 00:35:36.000
So my thought is they get Brett a little drunk
761
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.940
before he says this stuff or oh, yeah.
762
00:35:39.740 --> 00:35:40.680
Brett just doesn't give a shit.
763
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:41.720
Either way, I love Brett.
764
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:46.720
So, um, WrestleMania nine, dude, what the fuck terrible.
765
00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:51.320
And it's so interesting because so many people say the same thing,
766
00:35:51.380 --> 00:35:55.960
which is like even as a kid, you knew that wasn't good.
767
00:35:56.520 --> 00:35:57.380
You knew that wasn't good.
768
00:35:57.380 --> 00:35:58.700
And I felt the same way.
769
00:35:58.720 --> 00:36:01.860
I was like 11 when it happened and I was like, that wasn't good.
770
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:03.880
No, Larry Line.
771
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:05.840
I don't like praising Haman because fuck him.
772
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.780
But he also also he made that Brock Goldberg feud.
773
00:36:08.780 --> 00:36:11.280
Him a mania shouting he's in position, Brock
774
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:12.840
and selling everything like death.
775
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:14.000
Yeah, totally agree.
776
00:36:14.640 --> 00:36:15.860
I will say this, look.
777
00:36:17.060 --> 00:36:20.220
We are taking the shittiness of the people out of this equation.
778
00:36:20.240 --> 00:36:21.680
OK, because like I agree.
779
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:23.520
Fuck Paul Amon. He's a piece of shit.
780
00:36:23.580 --> 00:36:26.500
Yeah, he's a horrible human being on a lot of levels.
781
00:36:26.660 --> 00:36:28.180
He ruined people's careers.
782
00:36:28.560 --> 00:36:29.780
He ruined people's finances.
783
00:36:30.020 --> 00:36:32.640
He did a whole bunch of terrible things, but he was a brilliant guy.
784
00:36:33.180 --> 00:36:34.580
He just was. Oh, sure.
785
00:36:34.680 --> 00:36:37.820
His mind for the business is amazing fucking sociopath.
786
00:36:37.820 --> 00:36:41.640
And you'll find that's true of a lot of people in this business
787
00:36:42.120 --> 00:36:45.280
or anybody in the entertainment business in general.
788
00:36:45.520 --> 00:36:46.420
Yeah. Mm hmm.
789
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:47.540
Yeah, it's not just wrestling.
790
00:36:47.680 --> 00:36:49.100
So who do you got up next degree?
791
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.620
Oh, I have a guy that is one of my very, very favorite wrestlers.
792
00:36:53.660 --> 00:36:56.520
As a matter of fact, Eddie Kingston.
793
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.820
OK, I don't think we're going to get a lot of arguments.
794
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:03.700
A lot of people telling me that Eddie Kingston is the excellence of execution.
795
00:37:04.020 --> 00:37:06.480
He's not. But goddamn, dude,
796
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.720
when that fucking music hits and that dude walks out to the ring, I'm in.
797
00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:13.860
I don't know if people ever bothered to smarten him up
798
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:17.320
and let him know that wrestling is not real, because when he cuts promos.
799
00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:20.620
I mean, they're just they're nuts.
800
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:25.700
But Kingston has that ability to connect with people on,
801
00:37:25.820 --> 00:37:27.560
you know, and it's the same thing that Dusty Rhodes had.
802
00:37:27.580 --> 00:37:29.720
And, you know, all the guys that we're talking about
803
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.380
where you just buy into it and you want him to succeed.
804
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:35.900
And you've you've said this in the past.
805
00:37:35.900 --> 00:37:39.220
He sells like no one else, you know, like
806
00:37:40.060 --> 00:37:43.000
and when you see someone at that weak point
807
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.960
and then you watch them and you they're coming back
808
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.460
and you look at Eddie Kingston and Kingston's physique
809
00:37:48.460 --> 00:37:50.060
is a lot like my physique.
810
00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:51.300
You know what I mean?
811
00:37:52.200 --> 00:37:55.280
He may even be a little bit rounder in the belly area than me,
812
00:37:55.560 --> 00:37:56.840
but not much.
813
00:37:57.980 --> 00:38:00.780
And you see that and that's a dude you can you can buy into.
814
00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:02.660
You can connect with that and like.
815
00:38:03.380 --> 00:38:06.960
He just he draws you in and he doesn't have to wrestle that well.
816
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.420
And he doesn't wrestle very well, but God damn, dude,
817
00:38:11.420 --> 00:38:13.420
he's one of my all time favorites, you know?
818
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:14.560
Yeah, yeah.
819
00:38:15.080 --> 00:38:16.240
That's same story.
820
00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:18.340
I mean, I'm just telling the same story over and over.
821
00:38:18.640 --> 00:38:21.440
Oh, but like, you know, I would agree with Blair Lynn here.
822
00:38:21.560 --> 00:38:24.140
Eddie can work more than anyone previously mentioned,
823
00:38:24.180 --> 00:38:26.700
but like compared to his promos and attitude, it's not close.
824
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.420
His appeal is 80 20 in promo favor, Eddie.
825
00:38:29.560 --> 00:38:32.160
So what I would say is Eddie reminds me of Taz
826
00:38:32.160 --> 00:38:34.560
because Taz was a great worker,
827
00:38:35.200 --> 00:38:38.400
but Taz only did things he could do well, right?
828
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:39.660
Like he didn't do shit.
829
00:38:40.160 --> 00:38:41.640
He didn't take a lot of risks in the ring.
830
00:38:42.200 --> 00:38:43.340
The spinning back fist.
831
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.120
Eddie makes you believe in it.
832
00:38:45.560 --> 00:38:47.060
The the suit sometimes
833
00:38:47.780 --> 00:38:50.060
there's been a few he has not connected on very well.
834
00:38:50.180 --> 00:38:51.640
I will I will say, yeah.
835
00:38:53.240 --> 00:38:57.380
But it's yeah, he's not he's he can have a great match
836
00:38:57.380 --> 00:39:00.220
because like his matches with Danielson,
837
00:39:00.220 --> 00:39:02.520
who has a bad match with Danielson, though.
838
00:39:02.520 --> 00:39:03.460
Well, that's true.
839
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.520
His match with Mocks at the end of the seat, too, was really good
840
00:39:07.240 --> 00:39:10.080
because a lot of your match takes place right here.
841
00:39:10.080 --> 00:39:10.960
Well, you know what I mean?
842
00:39:11.020 --> 00:39:13.380
And it's it's all very cerebral. Yes.
843
00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:17.260
And I think part of the appeal of Eddie Kingston is the selling
844
00:39:17.260 --> 00:39:21.060
because there's a reason the guy started off came into a W main event
845
00:39:21.060 --> 00:39:23.040
at a pay per view against Moxley as a heel.
846
00:39:23.720 --> 00:39:28.140
But they had the turning baby face is because he can speak from the heart.
847
00:39:28.140 --> 00:39:31.960
He is the Dusty Rhodes of this era, like he.
848
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:32.760
Oh, absolutely.
849
00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:35.360
Is that common man that can reach out
850
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:40.360
and touch you with his just his words and his emotion?
851
00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:41.160
He's real.
852
00:39:41.420 --> 00:39:45.880
And you can feel the realness, you know, going back to that dusty thing.
853
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:49.000
And I have literally watched matches where Barry Windham
854
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:54.060
has Dusty Rhodes in a headlock or a claw for 20 minutes straight.
855
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:57.040
And I'm not even joking.
856
00:39:57.040 --> 00:40:00.020
I mean, it is 20 minutes like.
857
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:03.680
Yeah. And it's it's the first.
858
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:06.820
And I know some people criticize this, you know, because it's old nowadays.
859
00:40:07.120 --> 00:40:12.400
But the second hand drop and just knowing exactly when exactly how far
860
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.120
you know, it's that that story.
861
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.660
The match doesn't always happen in the ring.
862
00:40:17.680 --> 00:40:18.580
It happens in your head.
863
00:40:18.720 --> 00:40:20.280
It happens in their head. You know what I mean?
864
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.680
The reason that professional wrestling.
865
00:40:23.240 --> 00:40:24.400
You just said it so well.
866
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:27.680
The reason that professional wrestling is one of the greatest art forms
867
00:40:27.680 --> 00:40:31.600
of all time is because so much happens in your head
868
00:40:31.600 --> 00:40:35.480
as you're watching it and it either gets validated,
869
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.120
which makes you feel like, oh, I love this.
870
00:40:38.240 --> 00:40:40.220
They understand me, right?
871
00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:43.680
What I want to see or they surprise you and you have this bullshit.
872
00:40:44.100 --> 00:40:45.460
Like I didn't, you know,
873
00:40:45.860 --> 00:40:47.980
I didn't want Kenny Omega to lose to MJF.
874
00:40:47.980 --> 00:40:49.160
That was me. Right.
875
00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:53.940
Yeah. But then I'm there three days later and Darby wins.
876
00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:55.700
Right. So like.
877
00:40:56.740 --> 00:41:00.020
It it's a mental game, even as a fan, it's a mental game.
878
00:41:00.220 --> 00:41:03.820
Well, and you know, you bring Darby, so, OK, I'll just get into it
879
00:41:03.820 --> 00:41:05.400
because I was going to bring this up at one point.
880
00:41:05.600 --> 00:41:07.440
The match he had with MJF.
881
00:41:08.500 --> 00:41:11.180
Nobody's going to accuse that of being, you know,
882
00:41:11.180 --> 00:41:15.360
you're not going to say it's a five star match, whatever the Tokyo Dome.
883
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:20.400
But it was a five star match for that night, that moment.
884
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.220
The two hours that had progressed prior to the bell ringing.
885
00:41:25.180 --> 00:41:28.900
If you're judging it in that little microcosm, it was a fucking amazing.
886
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.940
But see that. And that is another thing.
887
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:33.120
So we talked about Hogan. We talked about Dusty.
888
00:41:33.160 --> 00:41:35.560
We talked about a lot of these guys where, you know,
889
00:41:35.560 --> 00:41:38.100
what's going to happen, but you still want to see it.
890
00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:43.620
You knew Darby was winning that title after that opening promo, you knew.
891
00:41:43.720 --> 00:41:47.140
And then when he saw the thing with Sting, you knew he was winning.
892
00:41:47.340 --> 00:41:50.180
Right. They were telling you he's going to win.
893
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:55.600
Right. It didn't change anything for me, though, if anything, I got more excited
894
00:41:55.600 --> 00:41:59.320
because I know I'm about to see Darby Allen win the world title, you know.
895
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.400
Well, because it's one of those things where when it happened, it was like.
896
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:04.100
Oh, I think he might.
897
00:42:04.240 --> 00:42:05.300
I think he might win tonight.
898
00:42:05.640 --> 00:42:07.620
No, no, I'm not going to let myself believe it,
899
00:42:07.620 --> 00:42:10.260
because if I let myself believe it, I'll get excited and I'll get let down.
900
00:42:10.740 --> 00:42:14.260
So but then, like you said, that opening promo with MJF,
901
00:42:14.640 --> 00:42:18.440
the shit in the ring when Darby cries and you're like, oh, this is happening.
902
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:19.720
This is really happening.
903
00:42:21.020 --> 00:42:22.640
But you still it's like, I don't want to believe it.
904
00:42:22.640 --> 00:42:23.340
I don't want to believe it.
905
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.480
By the time you saw Sting, there was that was a done deal.
906
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:27.600
Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah.
907
00:42:27.720 --> 00:42:29.160
There was no you couldn't.
908
00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:31.620
You couldn't question it anymore at that point.
909
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:34.820
And then it was just please let me have it.
910
00:42:34.900 --> 00:42:37.620
And doing that match that fast like that.
911
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.520
Exactly the right way to. I thought so.
912
00:42:39.600 --> 00:42:42.360
And I think the surprise was the right way to do it, too.
913
00:42:43.020 --> 00:42:47.200
But yeah, I think if you had built that up in a month long feud,
914
00:42:47.900 --> 00:42:51.080
I think it would not have had the impact that it has.
915
00:42:51.260 --> 00:42:54.560
Well, and I think the way the way that it sends a cool message, too,
916
00:42:54.560 --> 00:42:58.500
which is like, hey, look, anything can happen in a W at any time.
917
00:42:58.560 --> 00:43:02.120
You know, the world champion anything may not be paying attention
918
00:43:02.120 --> 00:43:04.620
and realize he has a match that night that he didn't know about.
919
00:43:04.980 --> 00:43:07.000
And he might lose the title because of it.
920
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.800
You know, like, well, and then it's that whole thing
921
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:13.120
that we talk about with Eddie and Dusty and Darby's got it, too.
922
00:43:13.620 --> 00:43:17.420
If you're that guy and you connect with him and you're that kid
923
00:43:17.420 --> 00:43:19.980
who's maybe a little bit of an outsider, a little bit of a weirdo,
924
00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:23.540
and and you're in high school and you see your fucking boy
925
00:43:23.540 --> 00:43:28.120
win the world title, man, I'm 49 and I fucking had to stay.
926
00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:29.380
I couldn't go to bed after.
927
00:43:29.720 --> 00:43:31.920
I know, I know. I was so geeked.
928
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:33.300
I had to watch it a second time.
929
00:43:33.580 --> 00:43:35.480
I was there. It's that connection.
930
00:43:35.600 --> 00:43:36.620
And then I came home.
931
00:43:36.820 --> 00:43:40.060
It's a 45 minute drive to get back to my place, got home.
932
00:43:40.060 --> 00:43:40.920
And then I turned it on.
933
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.340
I watched the entire match like four times in a row,
934
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:50.100
just because it was like just I want to relive that moment, you know,
935
00:43:50.120 --> 00:43:54.020
and the pop when he counts three and the guy when they show the guy
936
00:43:54.020 --> 00:43:58.820
is like, oh, like, he can't believe it, you know, and that, you know,
937
00:43:58.820 --> 00:44:01.040
I wish there was a better name than sports entertainment
938
00:44:01.040 --> 00:44:04.820
because it's almost like that match lasted two hours.
939
00:44:04.940 --> 00:44:07.580
The match itself was five minutes, but it was two hours.
940
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:09.740
That's the sports entertainment. Yeah.
941
00:44:11.120 --> 00:44:13.960
But maybe if somebody else came up with a better word,
942
00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:18.260
Skewered Universe, Eddie Kingston isn't a technical powerhouse,
943
00:44:18.260 --> 00:44:20.820
but he's an everyman. Very much so.
944
00:44:21.180 --> 00:44:22.140
Absolutely. Benny the Bear.
945
00:44:22.160 --> 00:44:23.320
Eddie's definitely an everyman.
946
00:44:23.460 --> 00:44:26.120
But, oh, boy, does he change the mood when that music hits.
947
00:44:26.220 --> 00:44:27.100
Yep. Yep.
948
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.640
And Eddie, he walks out the way he does.
949
00:44:29.680 --> 00:44:33.200
The walk is just as big a part of it because it's the no bullshit walk.
950
00:44:33.540 --> 00:44:35.280
Yeah, he's not like pop.
951
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:36.880
He's not doing anything to the crowd.
952
00:44:37.200 --> 00:44:38.200
He just comes straight out.
953
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.740
No, he's just he's coming to beat the shit out of you.
954
00:44:41.740 --> 00:44:43.180
Always never says Kinks.
955
00:44:43.580 --> 00:44:45.260
And speaking of which, hello, always never.
956
00:44:45.540 --> 00:44:47.660
Kingston is like if the Brooklyn Brawler got to win,
957
00:44:47.680 --> 00:44:48.800
his promos are amazing.
958
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:52.220
Dude makes you believe he does. He does.
959
00:44:53.080 --> 00:44:54.660
Eddie Kingston is a wrestler, a pippin.
960
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.260
Eddie Kingston is a wrestler who has the least amount of gimmick ever.
961
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.200
I 100% believe that dude is just who you see.
962
00:45:00.500 --> 00:45:03.320
I think maybe the ultimate best worst wrestler might be Mick Foley.
963
00:45:04.700 --> 00:45:09.320
Foley, I will say, is a much more deceptively good worker than
964
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:12.220
and I only realized it years later.
965
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.220
But you go back and you watch his stuff and you're like, man, that dude,
966
00:45:15.520 --> 00:45:17.000
he really didn't know what he was doing.
967
00:45:18.040 --> 00:45:20.720
Blurry Line seven, Eddie's weakness is that he kind of loves A.J.
968
00:45:20.720 --> 00:45:24.400
P.W. a bit too much, but he's not skilled enough to do that style one to one.
969
00:45:24.740 --> 00:45:26.340
I would agree. I would agree.
970
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:30.820
Yeah. I mean, Eddie almost reminds me of like.
971
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:32.620
You and your buddies.
972
00:45:33.060 --> 00:45:36.320
And this is insulting because he's because he is better than this.
973
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.560
But it's just like, yeah, his moves don't always look the best,
974
00:45:39.580 --> 00:45:41.660
like your buddies hanging out, wrestling or whatever.
975
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:43.660
But he can do all of them.
976
00:45:43.660 --> 00:45:44.160
You know what I mean?
977
00:45:44.160 --> 00:45:47.500
He just don't ever look as great as when other people.
978
00:45:47.540 --> 00:45:52.220
Well, he's not the athlete that Masawa or Kobashi or, you know,
979
00:45:52.340 --> 00:45:55.340
June Nakayama is, you know, it's right.
980
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:57.040
Your universe says that he deserved a better run
981
00:45:57.040 --> 00:45:59.940
as the first continental champion and triple crown champion. I agree.
982
00:46:00.900 --> 00:46:02.720
Yeah. Also, did he get injured?
983
00:46:02.720 --> 00:46:05.760
Is that what they just that just kind of did?
984
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.500
He did get injured, but he lost the belt before that.
985
00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:10.580
He lost all the belts before that.
986
00:46:10.600 --> 00:46:12.280
Yeah. Yeah. Like one at a time.
987
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:12.920
I remember that.
988
00:46:12.940 --> 00:46:16.720
And it was just weird because Tony, like, hyped the triple crown so much.
989
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:19.260
And it was like, it just kind of fits.
990
00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:22.060
Yeah. It's like, don't don't ever say that again.
991
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.400
Like, especially with belts, you don't control.
992
00:46:25.540 --> 00:46:27.460
Like, you know, New Japan controlled one of those titles.
993
00:46:27.520 --> 00:46:28.960
And then Tony controlled the other two.
994
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:30.920
He had the Ring of Honor title, the Continental title
995
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:32.840
and the New Japan strong title.
996
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:34.000
Screw universe.
997
00:46:34.200 --> 00:46:36.660
I like the Eddie looks like a guy that gets into fights at bars all the time.
998
00:46:36.680 --> 00:46:38.800
It just happens to know some wrestling moves. Very true.
999
00:46:39.420 --> 00:46:40.980
Larry line, the way they telegraphed
1000
00:46:40.980 --> 00:46:43.120
are be winning is mankind's winning the world title tonight.
1001
00:46:43.120 --> 00:46:44.680
That'll put butts in seat situation.
1002
00:46:44.900 --> 00:46:48.180
Like, yes, yes, it will put butts in seats. Yeah, absolutely.
1003
00:46:48.460 --> 00:46:49.620
It did screw the universe.
1004
00:46:49.780 --> 00:46:51.780
I remember when Orange Cassidy won a match during a picture
1005
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:53.660
and picture break in like year one or two.
1006
00:46:54.160 --> 00:46:56.000
Yes, he did. Yeah, I do.
1007
00:46:56.060 --> 00:46:58.440
Blair Lyons said against Jack Evans.
1008
00:46:58.600 --> 00:47:02.180
Yeah, it was one with a small package during the picture and picture.
1009
00:47:02.180 --> 00:47:04.020
Yeah, I remember that.
1010
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.160
Blair Lyon, I prefer wrestling theater to describe sports,
1011
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.020
entertaining things without alluding to WWE's branding.
1012
00:47:14.040 --> 00:47:16.140
Yeah, always never Eddie dessert.
1013
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:17.680
Can't say definitely needed a better run.
1014
00:47:17.700 --> 00:47:19.660
He lost the bells way too quick.
1015
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.380
Blair Lyon, I did get to see Eddie in person with all the bells
1016
00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:23.820
and it was sick, I must admit.
1017
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.440
Yeah, no, I mean, seeing him with those bells was cool.
1018
00:47:26.520 --> 00:47:29.540
I just wish there had a
1019
00:47:30.500 --> 00:47:31.900
I wish they had a more
1020
00:47:32.460 --> 00:47:35.840
more of a plan in mind for what they were doing with that. Yeah.
1021
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:40.500
We have a bunch more picks, so we were going to motor through some of these.
1022
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:41.700
You do, at least.
1023
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:43.280
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right.
1024
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:44.820
You didn't come prepared at all.
1025
00:47:45.240 --> 00:47:47.540
I did not know this was my idea.
1026
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:50.960
Yeah, you came up with a theme of the show and then I did.
1027
00:47:51.020 --> 00:47:52.800
And then I took all the notes. Yeah, exactly.
1028
00:47:52.940 --> 00:47:55.740
And then you well, I mean, that's why I knew this is why it's like
1029
00:47:56.980 --> 00:47:59.960
it's a it's like you're the worker, you know what I mean?
1030
00:47:59.960 --> 00:48:01.440
And I'm like, you're Sid.
1031
00:48:01.520 --> 00:48:03.460
I'm like, you're just there.
1032
00:48:03.660 --> 00:48:04.840
You're not the role. Yeah, I'm just a bit.
1033
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:08.040
I'm reading a Terry Funk by autobiography right now.
1034
00:48:08.040 --> 00:48:09.760
And he talks about Dustin quite a lot.
1035
00:48:09.820 --> 00:48:10.900
Dusty Rose's voice.
1036
00:48:11.540 --> 00:48:13.060
The narrator tries to do a dusty.
1037
00:48:13.200 --> 00:48:13.860
It's really bad.
1038
00:48:14.260 --> 00:48:17.660
But let's but it was written in 2005.
1039
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:22.380
So it's like very like complimentary to WWE and Vince McMahon
1040
00:48:23.420 --> 00:48:27.520
because at that time, like if you go back and you watch those
1041
00:48:27.520 --> 00:48:30.600
documentaries that were all made about the AWA world class,
1042
00:48:30.660 --> 00:48:33.220
they'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm glad Vince drove us out of business.
1043
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:36.420
Like, yeah, it was it was great that Vince is the only person
1044
00:48:36.420 --> 00:48:38.880
who's got a major wrestling promotion anymore.
1045
00:48:39.240 --> 00:48:40.220
Monopolies are awesome.
1046
00:48:40.980 --> 00:48:44.400
Losing all my money and my farm and my family was worth it.
1047
00:48:44.500 --> 00:48:46.560
It was fantastic. Vince is in control now.
1048
00:48:47.160 --> 00:48:50.280
Well, believe it or not, another guy who is in the WWE
1049
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:54.960
Hall of Fame that was derided for years and years and years.
1050
00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:58.880
The total package Lex Luger.
1051
00:49:00.460 --> 00:49:03.240
This guy was Dave Meltzer.
1052
00:49:03.680 --> 00:49:07.460
You know, even in PWI, sometimes they'd throw a little shade at Lex.
1053
00:49:08.200 --> 00:49:13.420
Yes, he was a steroided freak who was built like a bodybuilder.
1054
00:49:13.460 --> 00:49:15.920
I think that was new and made a lot of people uncomfortable
1055
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.040
in wrestling, quite frankly, and it was derivative of Vince,
1056
00:49:19.120 --> 00:49:20.780
you know, and people didn't like Vince.
1057
00:49:20.780 --> 00:49:25.340
I was just going to say it was it was Vince encroaching into NWA territory.
1058
00:49:25.460 --> 00:49:28.880
And so then when people who aren't even in WWF are like starting to look
1059
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:33.380
like that, you know, because Luger came up in Florida and then went to Crockett.
1060
00:49:33.520 --> 00:49:36.220
I think that rubs some people the wrong way.
1061
00:49:36.860 --> 00:49:39.700
Luger had some mannerisms that I found hilarious.
1062
00:49:40.120 --> 00:49:43.080
Degree and I talk all the time about how when he's giving a promo,
1063
00:49:43.460 --> 00:49:47.600
he's like, I am one of the best in professional wrestling.
1064
00:49:47.600 --> 00:49:51.760
And Ric Flair is going to see what professional wrestling is
1065
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.300
when he gets in the ring with the total package.
1066
00:49:53.340 --> 00:49:55.120
But he always does this thing with his finger.
1067
00:49:55.960 --> 00:50:01.200
Also, Lex does this frantic breathing thing that I find hilarious,
1068
00:50:01.240 --> 00:50:03.880
which is he's been wrestling for literally two minutes.
1069
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:10.350
He's going he's like breathing through his mouth like it's a backstroke
1070
00:50:10.350 --> 00:50:12.330
or something like it's really it's really weird.
1071
00:50:13.830 --> 00:50:17.970
But Lex could do 60 minutes with Ric Flair and he did it a lot.
1072
00:50:17.970 --> 00:50:19.050
He did a lot.
1073
00:50:19.710 --> 00:50:23.230
Now, I'm not saying that Lex could,
1074
00:50:25.010 --> 00:50:26.570
you know, that he was a great worker,
1075
00:50:26.570 --> 00:50:28.790
but I don't think he was a bad worker.
1076
00:50:30.290 --> 00:50:32.270
His stuff looked good that he did.
1077
00:50:32.670 --> 00:50:36.210
We watched what what was the one we watched for the hard way.
1078
00:50:36.210 --> 00:50:37.590
Capital combat was Luger versus.
1079
00:50:38.050 --> 00:50:40.450
What's that? Well, actually, we watched Wrestleware 90,
1080
00:50:41.130 --> 00:50:44.270
which what was one where he thought Flair that was that was him
1081
00:50:44.270 --> 00:50:47.010
versus Flair with Sting in the in the crutches, you know,
1082
00:50:47.670 --> 00:50:51.230
dude, that that match was what changed my mind about Luger,
1083
00:50:51.350 --> 00:50:52.210
because I was the same thing.
1084
00:50:52.210 --> 00:50:55.070
I always I looked at Luger, my main memories.
1085
00:50:55.090 --> 00:50:58.750
I didn't like the narcissist or the well, the narcissist was better.
1086
00:50:58.750 --> 00:51:01.290
But like the all American shit, I didn't really care for it.
1087
00:51:01.290 --> 00:51:03.730
And then he just seemed like he was phoning it in
1088
00:51:03.730 --> 00:51:06.270
pretty much the whole NWO era.
1089
00:51:06.710 --> 00:51:08.570
But like going back and watching that.
1090
00:51:08.570 --> 00:51:11.490
And yeah, maybe Ric Flair was carrying him through that match.
1091
00:51:11.510 --> 00:51:13.510
But that was a good ass match, dude.
1092
00:51:13.530 --> 00:51:16.950
And Luger was like, I was into him by the end of that.
1093
00:51:16.950 --> 00:51:21.010
There's a guy and even a former tag team partner of Lex Luger
1094
00:51:21.010 --> 00:51:24.810
that I have on my list that will get to same thing.
1095
00:51:24.830 --> 00:51:27.970
You may have had to carry him, but he had the athleticism
1096
00:51:27.970 --> 00:51:30.130
to be carried to that to that level.
1097
00:51:30.470 --> 00:51:33.490
And Luger, you can't wrestle for 60 minutes
1098
00:51:33.490 --> 00:51:36.230
if you don't have a shitload of stamina.
1099
00:51:37.490 --> 00:51:39.550
I was listening to
1100
00:51:41.170 --> 00:51:44.050
a podcast and somebody put forth a theory.
1101
00:51:44.790 --> 00:51:47.650
That what if when Sting got hurt in 90?
1102
00:51:48.770 --> 00:51:51.970
You have Lex win against Flair
1103
00:51:53.890 --> 00:51:57.630
and then you have Lex turn on Sting like they do.
1104
00:51:57.830 --> 00:52:00.030
Maybe the rest of were finished, they do that.
1105
00:52:01.490 --> 00:52:05.430
Where Sting, you know, slaps him and Lex gets counted out to defend him.
1106
00:52:05.730 --> 00:52:09.210
Then in that cage match where they lift the fucking gauge
1107
00:52:09.210 --> 00:52:12.570
and the horsemen get disqualified in a cage match.
1108
00:52:13.410 --> 00:52:17.290
Wasn't that you that put forth that idea for somebody else?
1109
00:52:17.290 --> 00:52:18.530
I was just echoing them.
1110
00:52:18.890 --> 00:52:19.770
Well, you just did it.
1111
00:52:19.770 --> 00:52:23.510
You echoed it on another podcast because I was on that podcast.
1112
00:52:24.070 --> 00:52:28.130
But what if they had had Lex win that cage match? Yeah.
1113
00:52:28.710 --> 00:52:31.550
And then Lex, after just turning babyface,
1114
00:52:31.570 --> 00:52:34.570
immediately turns on Sting because Sting's getting the title shot at him.
1115
00:52:35.450 --> 00:52:39.130
Yeah, I think WCW does so much better business
1116
00:52:39.130 --> 00:52:41.650
if they if they move forward with that.
1117
00:52:41.650 --> 00:52:45.650
And Flair has very loudly declared that he said he wouldn't lose anybody.
1118
00:52:45.770 --> 00:52:47.770
But Steve Borden, because that's what he promised him.
1119
00:52:48.250 --> 00:52:52.190
But I think it could have been more interesting to have Lex lose it to Sting.
1120
00:52:52.330 --> 00:52:54.310
It as much as.
1121
00:52:55.110 --> 00:52:55.930
It would have.
1122
00:52:55.990 --> 00:52:59.470
I mean, yes, Flair losing to Sting would have made Sting the man,
1123
00:52:59.470 --> 00:53:01.030
obviously, because Flair was the man.
1124
00:53:01.450 --> 00:53:02.710
But that would have been a better story.
1125
00:53:02.710 --> 00:53:05.730
And it would well, considering what we got, which was nothing,
1126
00:53:06.110 --> 00:53:08.670
you know, which was we have a black scorpion.
1127
00:53:09.870 --> 00:53:12.510
Right, you know, like, no.
1128
00:53:13.590 --> 00:53:16.650
Yeah, let's see what the folks are saying in here.
1129
00:53:17.790 --> 00:53:18.950
In speaking about your pets,
1130
00:53:19.110 --> 00:53:21.670
Blair Lyon says at least his pets are allowed in the same room as him,
1131
00:53:21.970 --> 00:53:23.110
unlike his human kids.
1132
00:53:23.970 --> 00:53:25.910
That's just part of being on this show.
1133
00:53:25.990 --> 00:53:27.290
The kids are not you.
1134
00:53:27.290 --> 00:53:28.910
You don't acknowledge them. You don't talk to them.
1135
00:53:28.930 --> 00:53:29.810
If you have children,
1136
00:53:30.030 --> 00:53:32.830
you pretend they don't exist when you're on the show. No.
1137
00:53:33.050 --> 00:53:35.370
Billy Luger was way cooler in Florida
1138
00:53:35.370 --> 00:53:37.710
when he had that five o'clock shadow beard in the headband.
1139
00:53:37.710 --> 00:53:38.770
It's a deep cut.
1140
00:53:38.870 --> 00:53:40.270
But I know exactly what you're talking about.
1141
00:53:40.310 --> 00:53:40.970
And I agree.
1142
00:53:41.590 --> 00:53:43.210
And I think he was Lex Lugar.
1143
00:53:43.610 --> 00:53:44.330
Lex Lugar.
1144
00:53:44.350 --> 00:53:46.430
They just pronounced it that way.
1145
00:53:47.470 --> 00:53:49.370
No, they did not pronounce it that way, but that's how it was.
1146
00:53:49.530 --> 00:53:50.530
Oh, was it? Really?
1147
00:53:51.230 --> 00:53:53.870
Well, it was in this wrestling superstars book
1148
00:53:53.870 --> 00:53:55.990
I got at a school book fair as a kid.
1149
00:53:56.270 --> 00:53:59.030
But I don't know if that was really accurate or not.
1150
00:53:59.190 --> 00:54:01.330
Dude, school book fairs ruled so fucking hard.
1151
00:54:01.350 --> 00:54:03.110
It was actually called Wrestling Superstars 2.
1152
00:54:03.110 --> 00:54:05.690
And that's and it was like I learned about a lot of wrestling.
1153
00:54:05.690 --> 00:54:08.290
Bradley would sell that at a no.
1154
00:54:08.650 --> 00:54:12.290
And it had guys in it like like the fabulous ones.
1155
00:54:12.290 --> 00:54:13.310
And like, I'm trying to think.
1156
00:54:13.470 --> 00:54:15.410
I wish I thought I wish I could find it now.
1157
00:54:15.410 --> 00:54:17.730
Do they have like bloody people all over it and stuff?
1158
00:54:18.370 --> 00:54:21.970
No, it was just it was I had like red and orange lettering on the front.
1159
00:54:22.130 --> 00:54:23.450
They kind of look like cowboy letters.
1160
00:54:23.750 --> 00:54:25.290
And it said Wrestling Superstars 2.
1161
00:54:25.370 --> 00:54:27.710
And I know I think flair was in it.
1162
00:54:28.190 --> 00:54:29.630
I don't know. There was nothing bloody.
1163
00:54:29.770 --> 00:54:33.090
No, I don't think it was like one of those things
1164
00:54:33.090 --> 00:54:36.430
Bill after did it as a side project kind of a thing, you know,
1165
00:54:36.590 --> 00:54:37.930
like that big hardcover book.
1166
00:54:38.230 --> 00:54:39.370
I have that on my shelf.
1167
00:54:39.770 --> 00:54:42.190
Whatever you're I don't know what the title of that book is.
1168
00:54:42.350 --> 00:54:46.130
Your universe says I hated the narcissist Lex Luger gimmick.
1169
00:54:46.210 --> 00:54:48.130
I think not enough people remember how bad that was.
1170
00:54:48.150 --> 00:54:50.690
I agree. Here's here's OK.
1171
00:54:50.830 --> 00:54:52.470
Here's how bad it really is.
1172
00:54:52.510 --> 00:54:55.530
So Lex is going to do the WBF, right?
1173
00:54:56.330 --> 00:55:01.850
And at WrestleMania eight, they're talking to him on like
1174
00:55:03.970 --> 00:55:05.830
satellite feed or something, right?
1175
00:55:06.710 --> 00:55:10.290
And Bobby Heenan is literally about to come looking
1176
00:55:10.290 --> 00:55:15.490
like talking about Lex's body like he is so over the top
1177
00:55:15.490 --> 00:55:17.390
and like, look at those glutes.
1178
00:55:17.450 --> 00:55:19.850
Look at look at those striations.
1179
00:55:19.970 --> 00:55:21.130
You know, just all this stuff.
1180
00:55:21.390 --> 00:55:22.930
It's like it's wild.
1181
00:55:23.190 --> 00:55:25.410
Like Bobby goes way overboard.
1182
00:55:26.630 --> 00:55:30.150
And then Alex gets in a motorcycle accident and can't do any of it.
1183
00:55:30.310 --> 00:55:30.590
Right.
1184
00:55:30.590 --> 00:55:33.190
But you know, they had him side to the WBF
1185
00:55:33.190 --> 00:55:36.710
because that got around a no compete clause he had with WCW.
1186
00:55:38.130 --> 00:55:38.610
Right.
1187
00:55:39.050 --> 00:55:42.190
And if you look in the chat there, you'll notice that Billy Lalone says,
1188
00:55:42.290 --> 00:55:44.410
I have that book from the school book fair.
1189
00:55:44.970 --> 00:55:45.990
Is that mine?
1190
00:55:46.590 --> 00:55:47.990
Do you have my book?
1191
00:55:48.570 --> 00:55:49.750
It's very possible.
1192
00:55:49.990 --> 00:55:50.810
I just gave it to you.
1193
00:55:50.830 --> 00:55:52.630
You guys can work out show and tell a little later.
1194
00:55:52.890 --> 00:55:53.970
All right. I was.
1195
00:55:54.270 --> 00:55:58.270
Billy also says he was always weirded out by a little by Lex Luger's abs
1196
00:55:58.270 --> 00:56:00.910
because he's had these weird little bumps on the one side.
1197
00:56:00.910 --> 00:56:04.230
And I was always like, what the little what the fuck are those little
1198
00:56:04.230 --> 00:56:05.470
ball bumps in his abs?
1199
00:56:06.230 --> 00:56:07.690
I don't think I'll ever look at him the same.
1200
00:56:07.770 --> 00:56:08.270
Thanks, Billy.
1201
00:56:08.790 --> 00:56:09.750
Well, no, I'm going to start looking.
1202
00:56:09.910 --> 00:56:11.430
Yeah. Now, yeah, that's what I mean.
1203
00:56:11.730 --> 00:56:13.570
So his abs had abs.
1204
00:56:13.770 --> 00:56:15.550
Did you ever consider that?
1205
00:56:15.710 --> 00:56:16.250
Maybe they did.
1206
00:56:16.250 --> 00:56:18.250
Or maybe it was like the boil that was on the side
1207
00:56:18.250 --> 00:56:19.390
of the roads is better.
1208
00:56:20.910 --> 00:56:22.150
You know what I mean?
1209
00:56:22.370 --> 00:56:26.050
Larry Lyne says, Lex, was the hero America deserved,
1210
00:56:26.130 --> 00:56:27.550
whether they want to admit it or not?
1211
00:56:27.550 --> 00:56:29.190
It's it's very true.
1212
00:56:29.210 --> 00:56:30.970
It's very true.
1213
00:56:31.990 --> 00:56:34.830
Luger was a powerhouse that could pull off some impressive wrestling moves
1214
00:56:34.830 --> 00:56:35.790
here and there. I totally agree.
1215
00:56:35.850 --> 00:56:37.370
He could do a dropkick leapfrog.
1216
00:56:37.390 --> 00:56:38.230
He could do stuff.
1217
00:56:38.430 --> 00:56:41.110
He just rarely ever did it.
1218
00:56:41.610 --> 00:56:43.990
They've been said, Lex Luger, wasn't he always thwarted by Superman?
1219
00:56:44.130 --> 00:56:49.010
I mean, yeah, theoretically, he I mean, even Lex Luger in wrestling was.
1220
00:56:50.730 --> 00:56:51.770
Yeah, I do.
1221
00:56:51.770 --> 00:56:51.990
You know what?
1222
00:56:51.990 --> 00:56:53.910
I do have a couple more people on my list, actually.
1223
00:56:53.910 --> 00:56:56.110
I was wrong. Degree doesn't understand you're supposed to work out
1224
00:56:56.110 --> 00:56:57.690
the bugs before going live.
1225
00:56:59.230 --> 00:57:01.030
No, dude, this is all about the bugs.
1226
00:57:01.290 --> 00:57:02.510
Yeah. Are you talking about that?
1227
00:57:02.550 --> 00:57:03.690
It's a very pro bug.
1228
00:57:03.890 --> 00:57:05.730
It's a very pro bug podcast.
1229
00:57:06.230 --> 00:57:08.010
This is a very yeah, this is a seat of your pants.
1230
00:57:08.370 --> 00:57:11.310
That's the thing, dude. This this this is this isn't scripted.
1231
00:57:11.350 --> 00:57:12.890
We don't script our promos.
1232
00:57:12.910 --> 00:57:15.390
You read a script at the beginning of the show.
1233
00:57:15.650 --> 00:57:19.090
Larry Lyne, well, that was one thing that Larry Lyne,
1234
00:57:19.150 --> 00:57:21.890
another suggestion, Kevin Nash, he literally had five moves.
1235
00:57:22.190 --> 00:57:25.110
One of them was tightening his glove in a top speed of eight miles per hour
1236
00:57:25.110 --> 00:57:27.830
downhill, but surrounded himself with folks who could work
1237
00:57:27.830 --> 00:57:30.130
and he could talk 100 percent, 100 percent.
1238
00:57:30.130 --> 00:57:31.910
Yeah, I would put Kevin on that list, too.
1239
00:57:32.110 --> 00:57:33.670
He sucked as a worker.
1240
00:57:33.710 --> 00:57:37.110
He wasn't particularly athletic in a wrestling sense.
1241
00:57:37.310 --> 00:57:39.590
I know he was a good basketball player when he was younger,
1242
00:57:40.530 --> 00:57:43.110
but, you know, he got a knee injury before he ever got
1243
00:57:43.110 --> 00:57:45.650
into the business that kept him from playing basketball.
1244
00:57:47.270 --> 00:57:49.510
I liked Diesel, man. I was a fan.
1245
00:57:49.510 --> 00:57:50.890
Yeah, dude, like I was.
1246
00:57:50.890 --> 00:57:53.570
It's funny that one of his moves was tightening his glove
1247
00:57:53.570 --> 00:57:57.010
because that I remember his whole when Diesel turned heel and he's like,
1248
00:57:57.010 --> 00:57:58.190
I'm still the same guy.
1249
00:57:58.190 --> 00:58:00.270
I just put up the glove. Yeah.
1250
00:58:00.550 --> 00:58:01.630
So, yeah, you're right.
1251
00:58:01.750 --> 00:58:03.030
That really was one of his.
1252
00:58:03.150 --> 00:58:06.470
Larry Lyne says is actually a lost episode of Dax Harwood's podcast.
1253
00:58:06.710 --> 00:58:07.330
It's very true.
1254
00:58:07.570 --> 00:58:10.630
And if you and because there's two things in this world.
1255
00:58:10.850 --> 00:58:15.970
I love my family and my fucking kids, kids like his family.
1256
00:58:16.090 --> 00:58:18.650
I love my wife and I love my daughter.
1257
00:58:18.650 --> 00:58:19.950
Fight like a girl.
1258
00:58:20.650 --> 00:58:22.090
I have a love this business.
1259
00:58:22.090 --> 00:58:23.230
I love this business.
1260
00:58:23.670 --> 00:58:25.090
Tag team wrestling.
1261
00:58:25.730 --> 00:58:27.570
Look, poor cash wheelers over there.
1262
00:58:27.570 --> 00:58:29.010
Just like, well, what about that, too?
1263
00:58:29.050 --> 00:58:29.430
And we've been.
1264
00:58:29.710 --> 00:58:32.210
Yeah, he never says he loves cash, does he?
1265
00:58:32.630 --> 00:58:33.490
No, he never does.
1266
00:58:33.610 --> 00:58:34.910
You know who else didn't love cash?
1267
00:58:35.170 --> 00:58:35.810
Public enemy.
1268
00:58:36.130 --> 00:58:37.430
Who are next on my list?
1269
00:58:37.670 --> 00:58:40.150
Because that was a really good segue.
1270
00:58:40.770 --> 00:58:41.490
Public enemy.
1271
00:58:42.130 --> 00:58:45.590
For whatever reason, I think they were hard to work with in WCW.
1272
00:58:45.670 --> 00:58:47.370
I think they were hard to work with in WWE.
1273
00:58:47.590 --> 00:58:48.970
Maybe they got a big ego.
1274
00:58:49.070 --> 00:58:49.750
I don't know.
1275
00:58:50.990 --> 00:58:53.170
Uh, they weren't very good in the ring.
1276
00:58:53.450 --> 00:58:56.150
OK, they're horrible in the rain.
1277
00:58:56.210 --> 00:59:02.570
But if you watch ECW in 1994 and 95, these guys are charismatic as hell.
1278
00:59:03.050 --> 00:59:11.160
Their promos are goofy, cartoonish, like, oh, look at Johnny.
1279
00:59:11.660 --> 00:59:14.940
It's so stupid, but it's so great.
1280
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:16.120
It's really compelling.
1281
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:17.240
Like, it holds up.
1282
00:59:17.900 --> 00:59:21.200
It's just these two little white hoodlums, you know,
1283
00:59:21.900 --> 00:59:24.440
shitty little mustaches, little mustaches.
1284
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:28.380
Rocco doesn't even have the like little braids in his area.
1285
00:59:28.380 --> 00:59:32.540
He just got this like curly, like shitty hair.
1286
00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:38.540
But that ECW as a whole is an example of like best, worst wrestlers.
1287
00:59:38.600 --> 00:59:42.820
And I mean, it's like what Paul Heyman did was, I mean, everybody says it.
1288
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:46.660
You hide the you hide the weaknesses and you promote the strengths.
1289
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:50.520
That entire company could be called best, worst wrestling.
1290
00:59:50.520 --> 00:59:56.040
You know, did you want me to can I use that as a segue into the next guy?
1291
00:59:57.120 --> 01:00:00.040
Yeah, New Jack, because like,
1292
01:00:00.040 --> 01:00:02.640
I don't know if I've ever seen New Jack do a move.
1293
01:00:02.720 --> 01:00:03.880
He vacuums.
1294
01:00:04.140 --> 01:00:05.880
He kind of does a little strut.
1295
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:07.700
New Jack.
1296
01:00:09.120 --> 01:00:10.060
He could cut it.
1297
01:00:10.060 --> 01:00:11.080
He could cut a great promo.
1298
01:00:11.300 --> 01:00:13.280
Yes, he could. And he should have been in jail.
1299
01:00:13.660 --> 01:00:17.120
Probably. He had five justified homicides.
1300
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:21.020
And like in the middle of matches,
1301
01:00:21.020 --> 01:00:23.660
he committed crimes like that are not debatable.
1302
01:00:23.660 --> 01:00:25.860
Yeah, that's a mass transit thing.
1303
01:00:25.980 --> 01:00:29.320
He threw big Grimes 40 feet to almost a dead.
1304
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:30.220
Holy shit.
1305
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.680
Big Grimes survived somehow and later said he did it on purpose.
1306
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:38.640
He cut some dude in the neck and the arm
1307
01:00:38.640 --> 01:00:41.280
and then had charges pressed against him.
1308
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.420
And then the dude has him over a barrel and says,
1309
01:00:44.420 --> 01:00:46.320
I'll drop the charges if you train me.
1310
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:52.740
So there's a guy out there who got trained by New Jack, who if you
1311
01:00:52.740 --> 01:00:57.500
if anybody ever calls you a mark, you find that dude.
1312
01:00:57.900 --> 01:00:58.500
Yeah.
1313
01:00:58.520 --> 01:01:01.340
Kerry, I knew Jack should have been in fucking prison.
1314
01:01:01.340 --> 01:01:03.540
Like he was a dangerous human being.
1315
01:01:03.540 --> 01:01:08.340
Holy shit. Like, oh, like, and I enjoy New Jack.
1316
01:01:09.700 --> 01:01:12.380
Somehow New Jack's really funny, too.
1317
01:01:12.820 --> 01:01:14.680
He's really funny. He is really funny.
1318
01:01:14.680 --> 01:01:18.020
No, no, New Jack is fucking horrifying, dude.
1319
01:01:18.020 --> 01:01:18.920
He's terrifying.
1320
01:01:19.160 --> 01:01:20.080
The guy's terrifying.
1321
01:01:20.300 --> 01:01:22.700
Yeah, he was a decent athlete.
1322
01:01:22.780 --> 01:01:24.040
You know, he could jump far.
1323
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:27.000
He did some crazy shit like jumping off the like jumping off
1324
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.140
the fucking balconies and brave.
1325
01:01:29.600 --> 01:01:32.280
He was brave or he was just really fucking high.
1326
01:01:32.500 --> 01:01:33.700
I'm not maybe both.
1327
01:01:34.560 --> 01:01:34.860
Yes.
1328
01:01:36.100 --> 01:01:39.280
Skewered Universe says Dax's love of cash doesn't need to be spoken.
1329
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:41.900
It just is skewered universe.
1330
01:01:41.980 --> 01:01:43.920
I always thought Public Enemy was supposed to be a joke.
1331
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:47.700
I mean, they were and they but they were on so many levels.
1332
01:01:48.160 --> 01:01:51.240
But man, yeah, they were like when they when they were in ECW,
1333
01:01:51.240 --> 01:01:52.520
they were very popular.
1334
01:01:52.600 --> 01:01:56.420
They were and it was like they were when they came to WCW.
1335
01:01:56.420 --> 01:01:57.820
I was I was excited.
1336
01:01:57.880 --> 01:01:59.340
I had been read. I'd never seen them.
1337
01:01:59.340 --> 01:02:02.360
So I was like I had been reading about them
1338
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:04.420
in the after mags for at least a year.
1339
01:02:04.420 --> 01:02:06.320
And I was really excited to see them.
1340
01:02:06.340 --> 01:02:08.860
And then they were like not, you know, they did the table stuff.
1341
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:11.160
They tried to make them wrestle like normal wrestlers.
1342
01:02:11.160 --> 01:02:11.920
And that's why it didn't.
1343
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:15.420
And that's a lot of like where the ECW, like the shitty fan cam
1344
01:02:15.420 --> 01:02:20.380
and the editing all kind of came together to make something better than it was.
1345
01:02:20.540 --> 01:02:23.500
You know, well, Polly played to the heat.
1346
01:02:23.740 --> 01:02:25.740
That is the ultimate example of Hayman's genius.
1347
01:02:26.060 --> 01:02:27.740
He played to the strengths of what they had,
1348
01:02:27.740 --> 01:02:32.060
which was like he could edit all the matches and make them make them watchable.
1349
01:02:32.060 --> 01:02:34.960
Yeah. And because if you watch like the ECW,
1350
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.960
like home video stuff where they show the full match, not so good.
1351
01:02:39.340 --> 01:02:40.640
No, not very good.
1352
01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:43.060
Also, it's just one hard cam.
1353
01:02:43.080 --> 01:02:45.320
Yeah, which all time gets old. Yeah.
1354
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:46.740
Yeah. Not good.
1355
01:02:47.020 --> 01:02:49.160
Blurry line. A lot of ECW can go into this list.
1356
01:02:49.500 --> 01:02:53.340
And spoiler, they will be like there was Jerry R.V.D.
1357
01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:54.620
Taz, Mike Awesome and Tanaka.
1358
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:57.300
Then basically no one else could work bad and amazing connection.
1359
01:02:57.320 --> 01:02:59.940
President Asian, again, blow my spot, bro.
1360
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.800
But but yes, New Jack did a lot of moves,
1361
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:07.200
not wrestling moves, crime and murder moves,
1362
01:03:07.200 --> 01:03:11.580
like too much crime, even for modern AEW, I would say.
1363
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:16.500
Like not kayfabe crimes, like real crimes.
1364
01:03:16.820 --> 01:03:18.560
Do you want to see a felony be committed?
1365
01:03:18.560 --> 01:03:20.900
Yeah. Assaults be committed on your television.
1366
01:03:22.120 --> 01:03:25.720
New Jack was a Jeff Def Jam character who happened to be a real person.
1367
01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:28.080
Very much the case.
1368
01:03:28.080 --> 01:03:31.180
Benny the Bear New Jack, king of the 2000s shoot interviews.
1369
01:03:31.860 --> 01:03:36.240
That man, I saw footage of that man saying how much he loved cocaine.
1370
01:03:36.740 --> 01:03:38.640
Like a year before he died.
1371
01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:40.720
Yeah. And like dark side of the ring.
1372
01:03:41.100 --> 01:03:43.340
And he died of a cocaine overdose.
1373
01:03:43.340 --> 01:03:48.040
Yeah. So, you know, he he died doing what he loved.
1374
01:03:48.080 --> 01:03:51.720
And it's like somehow like I know all these things about just despicable
1375
01:03:51.720 --> 01:03:54.180
New Jack was, but it's like I get like this little.
1376
01:03:54.260 --> 01:03:55.600
But you kind of loved him, too.
1377
01:03:55.600 --> 01:03:58.120
He's like something about him that's like a teddy bear.
1378
01:03:58.160 --> 01:04:00.540
Like he's just kind of adorable somehow.
1379
01:04:00.540 --> 01:04:03.300
And I don't we're going to have we're going to have to do an episode
1380
01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:07.320
of like our favorite problematic gimmicks that we still like.
1381
01:04:07.540 --> 01:04:08.740
Like you were talking about Kamala.
1382
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.740
And I'm like, I know it's racist as fuck.
1383
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.640
But I love James Harris and I love the way he did the gimmick.
1384
01:04:15.660 --> 01:04:18.540
And he was pretty good in the ring for like one year or two years, maybe.
1385
01:04:19.060 --> 01:04:23.200
And and I love the gimmick in spite of all that.
1386
01:04:23.560 --> 01:04:25.080
Kamala is a legend.
1387
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:27.960
Kamala rules. I mean, yes, he rules.
1388
01:04:28.220 --> 01:04:30.620
But like, yeah, it's not surprising.
1389
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:32.940
Jerry Lawler came up with the gimmick problematic.
1390
01:04:33.780 --> 01:04:35.880
Yeah, yeah. So.
1391
01:04:37.620 --> 01:04:39.960
Next guy, Sandman, let's be real.
1392
01:04:43.100 --> 01:04:45.340
So I did this to myself.
1393
01:04:45.600 --> 01:04:49.900
OK, I watched all of the network available.
1394
01:04:50.260 --> 01:04:53.660
1993, easy to that is you're making me feel terrible
1395
01:04:53.660 --> 01:04:55.820
because I did absolutely no preparation.
1396
01:04:56.020 --> 01:04:57.480
Oh, I didn't do it for this episode.
1397
01:04:57.580 --> 01:04:58.620
I did it for fun.
1398
01:04:58.980 --> 01:05:03.080
OK, because I wanted because so much
1399
01:05:03.080 --> 01:05:05.460
of ECW is available, you can literally watch it
1400
01:05:05.460 --> 01:05:07.300
from beginning to end, kind of, you know.
1401
01:05:07.680 --> 01:05:10.700
And so I wanted to see all of it.
1402
01:05:10.700 --> 01:05:14.620
Like, how did the same end develop from this lame fucking surfer gimmick?
1403
01:05:14.620 --> 01:05:17.800
Right. OK, he's like one of the featured guys in the beginning
1404
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:19.040
with the lame surfer gimmick.
1405
01:05:19.100 --> 01:05:20.660
He's coming out to the at that point.
1406
01:05:21.040 --> 01:05:21.980
Yeah, really.
1407
01:05:22.140 --> 01:05:27.220
He's coming out with a surfboard in a beach body suit to the beach boys.
1408
01:05:27.540 --> 01:05:28.540
It's horrible.
1409
01:05:28.860 --> 01:05:32.320
Why is he like, yeah, he's like clapping people's hands and stuff.
1410
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:33.660
It sucks.
1411
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:36.960
Why? I just don't understand how that how the name fits, though.
1412
01:05:37.680 --> 01:05:38.360
I don't either.
1413
01:05:38.560 --> 01:05:40.680
But they're booing the shit out of him.
1414
01:05:40.680 --> 01:05:43.060
Yeah. OK, like, like he's terrible.
1415
01:05:43.160 --> 01:05:44.080
The gimmick's bad.
1416
01:05:44.460 --> 01:05:47.260
And he's one of the main guys in the beginning.
1417
01:05:47.360 --> 01:05:50.000
And then he starts losing a lot because like he's got like
1418
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:52.840
future enhancement talent written all over him. Yeah.
1419
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:58.200
Then he's somehow like an even shittier version
1420
01:05:58.200 --> 01:06:01.620
of like the dynamic dudes with a job.
1421
01:06:01.620 --> 01:06:05.740
Oh, because he's because he's got a big beer gut and orangutan titties.
1422
01:06:05.820 --> 01:06:07.720
Like he's he's out of shape.
1423
01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:09.840
He's not he looks terrible.
1424
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:11.240
It's hilarious. And then.
1425
01:06:12.420 --> 01:06:16.440
He shows up with a Singapore cane to try and get revenge
1426
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:20.720
on somebody who assaulted him, but he accidentally hits his wife
1427
01:06:20.720 --> 01:06:21.920
in the face with the cane.
1428
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:25.500
Then he just leaves her in the ring and walks away.
1429
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:29.240
Then Tommy Cairo runs out to see if she's OK.
1430
01:06:29.240 --> 01:06:32.160
Then Sam and literally start saying on the screen,
1431
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:35.800
it's twenty dollars if you want to be with her.
1432
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:39.160
Tommy Cairo, pay your bill.
1433
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.340
And he starts acting like he's pimping out his wife.
1434
01:06:43.020 --> 01:06:46.980
Then he has a series of matches where he's now getting cheered
1435
01:06:46.980 --> 01:06:49.680
because Tommy Cairo is being booed.
1436
01:06:49.980 --> 01:06:53.220
And and he loses all of these different Singapore
1437
01:06:53.220 --> 01:06:54.000
cane matches.
1438
01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:56.880
Tommy Cairo just loses time after time after time.
1439
01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.260
Sammy is getting cheered.
1440
01:06:59.560 --> 01:07:01.800
Sammy starts coming out to enter Sandman, right?
1441
01:07:02.520 --> 01:07:04.200
This man is only an entrance.
1442
01:07:04.200 --> 01:07:05.520
That's all he is.
1443
01:07:05.820 --> 01:07:07.560
He's wearing Zubaz.
1444
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:09.960
He walks out in his own T-shirt.
1445
01:07:11.080 --> 01:07:12.940
Just look at the cane.
1446
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.220
Smoking a cigarette,
1447
01:07:16.080 --> 01:07:17.500
smashing beer cans on his head.
1448
01:07:17.720 --> 01:07:22.700
That guy was fucking he that guy was Bay City, Michigan, 1998.
1449
01:07:22.700 --> 01:07:25.760
And I'm sure he was a lot of towns that size, you know,
1450
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:27.620
and all of his biggest fans.
1451
01:07:28.740 --> 01:07:30.340
If you want to know what they're doing now,
1452
01:07:30.660 --> 01:07:33.460
they were all pardoned by Trump for January six.
1453
01:07:33.500 --> 01:07:35.120
That's that's what they're doing now.
1454
01:07:36.140 --> 01:07:40.040
Like, but this motherfucker's aura was undeniable.
1455
01:07:40.040 --> 01:07:43.640
Yeah, his entrance was like seven, eight minutes long.
1456
01:07:43.640 --> 01:07:46.700
The whole song was the whole song.
1457
01:07:46.700 --> 01:07:48.400
And sometimes it started over.
1458
01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:51.740
Yeah. And and like entertainment is not a short song.
1459
01:07:51.860 --> 01:07:53.320
No, like it's a five minute song.
1460
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:59.680
And. I don't remember anything he did in the ring because he was terrible.
1461
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:03.780
He was drunk off his ass by the time the match started, you know,
1462
01:08:03.780 --> 01:08:08.560
and he would do the sloppiest, shittiest looking leg drops off ladders.
1463
01:08:08.620 --> 01:08:10.200
He would take crazy bumps.
1464
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.960
He doesn't look like he's had any training whatsoever.
1465
01:08:14.640 --> 01:08:15.500
No, no.
1466
01:08:15.700 --> 01:08:19.319
And what's interesting is when you see him as the Beach Boys Sandman,
1467
01:08:20.300 --> 01:08:23.140
he clearly has been trained to bump and stuff like.
1468
01:08:23.140 --> 01:08:26.380
He's a little better in the ring at that point because he's trying to be good.
1469
01:08:26.380 --> 01:08:29.859
Right. And later he just realized he doesn't have to be good at all.
1470
01:08:30.060 --> 01:08:34.660
Like because people just are cheering this guy who's pimping his wife,
1471
01:08:35.460 --> 01:08:38.240
pimping and Raven, who then convinces his wife
1472
01:08:38.240 --> 01:08:40.500
and child to turn against him is the heel.
1473
01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:43.240
Unbelievable.
1474
01:08:43.700 --> 01:08:46.140
Dude, you got to get into the comments because people are going nuts
1475
01:08:46.140 --> 01:08:47.979
and it's awesome. Yeah.
1476
01:08:48.140 --> 01:08:51.500
Bleary line, dude. Oh, I'm FG.
1477
01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:54.540
Sandman is this list.
1478
01:08:54.700 --> 01:08:56.000
Yes. Yes.
1479
01:08:56.220 --> 01:09:00.420
The fucking episode of Futurama, where they turn Bender into a human.
1480
01:09:01.460 --> 01:09:03.720
You remember it like I remember watching that.
1481
01:09:03.859 --> 01:09:04.880
No, I've never seen it.
1482
01:09:04.979 --> 01:09:05.580
Holy shit.
1483
01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:08.560
I remember even at the time just being like, this is Sandman.
1484
01:09:08.660 --> 01:09:10.859
Like, does someone know who Sandman is?
1485
01:09:10.859 --> 01:09:13.020
This is exactly Sandman.
1486
01:09:13.540 --> 01:09:16.200
Oh, OK. Bleary line points it out.
1487
01:09:16.819 --> 01:09:19.420
Steward Universe says Samia was just a drunk with a kendo stick.
1488
01:09:19.420 --> 01:09:22.279
I don't know why, how or why he was a surfer first.
1489
01:09:22.540 --> 01:09:23.840
That's what he was trained to be, man.
1490
01:09:24.060 --> 01:09:28.660
He was wrestling in the USWA in Memphis for a little bit.
1491
01:09:28.899 --> 01:09:32.700
And then later, Ray Apollo shows up, who's also a surfer.
1492
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:36.520
But this is after Sandman gets rid of the surfer gimmick
1493
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:38.580
because it didn't work at all. Yeah.
1494
01:09:39.080 --> 01:09:42.020
And he just gets the shit beat out of him by Sandman
1495
01:09:42.020 --> 01:09:43.279
with a fucking kendo stick.
1496
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:45.120
It's fucking awesome, honestly.
1497
01:09:45.620 --> 01:09:46.460
That's great.
1498
01:09:47.040 --> 01:09:48.500
Fun with sports cards.
1499
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:50.340
Sandman makes me think of what would have happened
1500
01:09:50.340 --> 01:09:52.100
if Rutger Hauer became her.
1501
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:55.560
Yeah, that's fucking great.
1502
01:09:56.940 --> 01:09:59.920
Billy Lalonde, you don't realize because it's so dumb,
1503
01:10:00.040 --> 01:10:03.640
the Sandman is because he is a beach guy, the surf, the sand.
1504
01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:05.860
Is that really? Oh, my God.
1505
01:10:06.340 --> 01:10:08.240
That's clearly what it is.
1506
01:10:08.860 --> 01:10:10.300
Oh, my God.
1507
01:10:10.380 --> 01:10:13.800
We didn't even fucking put that together because you're like
1508
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:16.020
your brain is subconsciously going.
1509
01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:19.680
Surely it's not that's not what you think of when you think of the beach.
1510
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.080
You think of surfing and water
1511
01:10:24.480 --> 01:10:24.960
swimsuits.
1512
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:28.320
Larry Lyon says the Russian leg sweep was the most technical thing
1513
01:10:28.320 --> 01:10:30.540
he knew how to do, which was also, by the way,
1514
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:32.240
called the White Russian leg sweep.
1515
01:10:32.240 --> 01:10:33.080
That's pretty awesome.
1516
01:10:33.240 --> 01:10:36.000
Well, and again, that that got that over.
1517
01:10:36.080 --> 01:10:39.460
Like that was fucking clever, you know, and he was so over,
1518
01:10:39.480 --> 01:10:42.640
you know, I mean, and again, like ECW
1519
01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:46.220
is just like three years of insanely clever gimmicks,
1520
01:10:46.940 --> 01:10:49.000
like gimmicks that fit people so well.
1521
01:10:49.040 --> 01:10:51.780
Like right now, I'm at a point where Stevie Richards is there
1522
01:10:51.780 --> 01:10:53.660
and his name is just Steve Richards.
1523
01:10:53.940 --> 01:10:55.560
He's clearly a Shawn Michaels guy.
1524
01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:57.720
He's got the Shawn Michaels mullet.
1525
01:10:57.840 --> 01:10:59.740
But he has no personality yet.
1526
01:10:59.860 --> 01:11:01.780
But he actually can work a little bit,
1527
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.040
unlike most of the people in the company.
1528
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:07.940
Tommy Dreamer's there as a baby face, he with the suspenders
1529
01:11:07.940 --> 01:11:11.140
over his titties getting booed like he looks like Viscera
1530
01:11:11.140 --> 01:11:14.040
or Big Daddy V ten years before that app.
1531
01:11:14.220 --> 01:11:16.520
It's so funny how it's like everything.
1532
01:11:16.620 --> 01:11:20.400
I mean, and I didn't watch ECW back then here and there,
1533
01:11:20.400 --> 01:11:21.520
but not close, obviously.
1534
01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:24.180
And it's like everything you're telling me is basically like,
1535
01:11:24.280 --> 01:11:26.700
well, this guy totally sucked and he had the worst gimmick ever.
1536
01:11:26.700 --> 01:11:29.280
And then you get the shit beat out of him for three weeks straight.
1537
01:11:29.320 --> 01:11:30.920
And then all of a sudden, everybody loved him.
1538
01:11:31.280 --> 01:11:33.880
Like, that seems to be the ECW method.
1539
01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:35.320
Well, right.
1540
01:11:35.400 --> 01:11:37.440
They're booing the shit out of Tommy Dreamer currently.
1541
01:11:37.440 --> 01:11:38.320
OK, I am.
1542
01:11:38.420 --> 01:11:40.360
And then he's just started feuding with the Sandman.
1543
01:11:40.360 --> 01:11:42.640
So I know it's about it's going to.
1544
01:11:43.040 --> 01:11:44.000
The vibe is about to shift.
1545
01:11:44.040 --> 01:11:44.780
Turning it up.
1546
01:11:45.420 --> 01:11:45.760
Yeah.
1547
01:11:46.180 --> 01:11:47.860
Skewered says when I heard about Sandman, the wrestler,
1548
01:11:47.860 --> 01:11:50.340
I thought somebody had a gimmick based on the Spider-Man villain.
1549
01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:50.940
So did I.
1550
01:11:50.980 --> 01:11:53.140
If he would have worn that green turtleneck sweater.
1551
01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:57.420
Billy says the salmon is here to drink beer and kick ass,
1552
01:11:57.420 --> 01:11:58.700
and he's almost out of beer.
1553
01:11:59.180 --> 01:12:03.640
So if you fucking remade, they live with Sandman.
1554
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:05.460
I would totally go see that movie.
1555
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:07.060
I would do. And I would do.
1556
01:12:07.140 --> 01:12:08.620
You wouldn't be able to understand any of it.
1557
01:12:08.620 --> 01:12:10.620
No, and he would just still be playing Sandman.
1558
01:12:10.740 --> 01:12:12.640
Now he would just be the one with the.
1559
01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:14.380
He'd just be caning Toby McGuire.
1560
01:12:17.340 --> 01:12:19.940
Yeti Malone said it is a Spider-Man villain and featured in Spider-Man
1561
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:21.980
three blurry line.
1562
01:12:22.260 --> 01:12:25.300
I rewatched the one night stand Sandman entrance every few months
1563
01:12:25.300 --> 01:12:27.940
because you cannot explain without seeing it how much fucking
1564
01:12:27.940 --> 01:12:28.980
or a Sandman ad.
1565
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:30.460
It's wild.
1566
01:12:30.860 --> 01:12:31.840
It is just crazy.
1567
01:12:31.980 --> 01:12:36.180
Yeah, he just officially retired, by the way, at sixty five.
1568
01:12:36.860 --> 01:12:39.940
Wow. Here's the surprising part.
1569
01:12:40.160 --> 01:12:42.940
The Sandman's alive at sixty five years old.
1570
01:12:43.300 --> 01:12:46.320
I think he's cleaned up or no.
1571
01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:49.960
Yeah, he's he's mostly cleaned up, but I mean, he's lost everything
1572
01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:53.520
in his life. Oh, I mean, like he had a dark side of the ring
1573
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.000
that was hella depressing. Holy shit. Yeah.
1574
01:12:58.320 --> 01:13:01.840
OK, so another guy who had some experience with Sandman
1575
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:06.270
and a hell of a run in ECW as well.
1576
01:13:07.480 --> 01:13:09.640
Mikey Wiprak now.
1577
01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:13.700
Mikey, I'm not even sure if Mikey could do offensive moves
1578
01:13:13.700 --> 01:13:16.260
because he almost never did any time that I saw.
1579
01:13:16.260 --> 01:13:20.600
He's a good wrestler and he's a former triple crown ECW champion.
1580
01:13:20.660 --> 01:13:22.260
He was the TV champion.
1581
01:13:22.300 --> 01:13:24.700
He was the tag champs with Cactus Jack,
1582
01:13:24.700 --> 01:13:28.400
and he was the ECW World Heavyweight Champion
1583
01:13:28.400 --> 01:13:31.960
and successfully defended the belt against Sandman and Steve Austin
1584
01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:36.520
at one point by pinning Steve Austin. OK.
1585
01:13:38.260 --> 01:13:40.200
That's a real thing that happened. Right.
1586
01:13:41.740 --> 01:13:44.220
So he's a literal enhancement talent
1587
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:46.720
that could have been completely unnoticed.
1588
01:13:46.780 --> 01:13:49.380
And in the beginning, he just loses a bunch of enhancement matches.
1589
01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:54.020
Right. But his sense of humor and his comedic timing is so good
1590
01:13:54.020 --> 01:13:57.900
that Polly clearly had this idea for a jobber
1591
01:13:57.900 --> 01:14:02.240
who, by circumstance or good fortune, just keeps winning.
1592
01:14:02.700 --> 01:14:03.800
Right. It's a great idea.
1593
01:14:04.420 --> 01:14:07.240
It's fantastic. And it's executed so well.
1594
01:14:07.240 --> 01:14:10.020
So he wins the television title
1595
01:14:10.700 --> 01:14:14.160
because Taz interferes on his behalf and he pins the pitbull,
1596
01:14:14.400 --> 01:14:15.720
pins Gary Wolf. Right.
1597
01:14:16.820 --> 01:14:22.000
And then he keeps having matches where people are murdering him.
1598
01:14:22.200 --> 01:14:25.920
Mr. Hughes, 9-1-1, like all these people.
1599
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:28.520
And like literally 9-1-1 pins him
1600
01:14:29.160 --> 01:14:31.420
and then keeps beating him up and gets disqualified.
1601
01:14:31.480 --> 01:14:34.520
Right. And Mikey, at a certain point, is like,
1602
01:14:34.580 --> 01:14:38.780
I just need somebody to take this belt off me because it hurts so bad.
1603
01:14:38.780 --> 01:14:40.760
It hurts so much. That's great.
1604
01:14:41.420 --> 01:14:44.060
And he he cuts this promo where he's like, look, you guys,
1605
01:14:44.620 --> 01:14:47.960
I don't know if there's a man or a woman
1606
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:52.520
or a dog or a child in this country that I could beat up.
1607
01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:55.300
But what I do know is I'm going to defend this television title
1608
01:14:55.300 --> 01:14:57.760
that I can't anymore. He loses it to Jason.
1609
01:14:58.280 --> 01:15:00.420
OK, the sexiest man on Earth.
1610
01:15:01.180 --> 01:15:04.820
Yeah. Oh, and.
1611
01:15:06.080 --> 01:15:10.180
And then he's at a tag team with Cactus and Cactus is a baby face.
1612
01:15:10.180 --> 01:15:11.720
Right. Because, of course, he is.
1613
01:15:12.320 --> 01:15:15.120
And Mikey wants to lose the tag titles because he's constantly
1614
01:15:15.120 --> 01:15:18.220
getting killed in these matches because Cactus barely ever tags.
1615
01:15:18.280 --> 01:15:20.560
And he's like, you got this, Mikey, you go get him.
1616
01:15:20.980 --> 01:15:24.800
And Mikey gets destroyed over and over and over
1617
01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:27.260
but they keep retaining those tag titles.
1618
01:15:27.260 --> 01:15:28.200
It's fucking great.
1619
01:15:28.400 --> 01:15:31.240
And the fact that they made it work over the course of three different belts
1620
01:15:31.240 --> 01:15:35.580
is really impressive and a testament to how over the dude was, you know.
1621
01:15:35.620 --> 01:15:38.140
And he's literally one of the most decorated ECW wrestlers,
1622
01:15:38.660 --> 01:15:39.880
technically, technically. Right.
1623
01:15:40.480 --> 01:15:43.240
But in the crowd is way on his side, way on his side.
1624
01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:46.000
Mikey, Mikey. Oh, I remember liking Mikey Wiprak.
1625
01:15:46.060 --> 01:15:48.240
And I wasn't watching it at that point.
1626
01:15:48.260 --> 01:15:51.920
It was well after the fact when I knew who Mikey Wiprak was.
1627
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:55.940
And, yeah, I mean, Heyman did such a good job getting him over
1628
01:15:57.800 --> 01:15:59.660
that WCW signed him.
1629
01:15:59.660 --> 01:16:02.220
Yeah, he was in WCW for like two months.
1630
01:16:02.240 --> 01:16:05.960
Great name to one of my favorite fucking names in wrestling.
1631
01:16:06.100 --> 01:16:07.340
Mikey Wiprak, Mikey Wiprak.
1632
01:16:07.420 --> 01:16:08.700
That is such a good name.
1633
01:16:09.160 --> 01:16:14.200
And it is a perfect segue into the next thing I wanted to talk about,
1634
01:16:14.770 --> 01:16:19.280
which is not necessarily any one specific wrestler, but jobbers in general.
1635
01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:24.760
Um, last week on Dynamite, Samoa Joe took on a guy.
1636
01:16:24.820 --> 01:16:26.540
Cody Chun was his name. Yeah.
1637
01:16:26.700 --> 01:16:28.380
Oh, yeah. I'm familiar with Cody.
1638
01:16:28.740 --> 01:16:31.280
Yeah. And like the classic Cody Chun, baby.
1639
01:16:31.280 --> 01:16:33.500
Go ahead. Classic Cody Chun.
1640
01:16:33.980 --> 01:16:35.460
Yes. I don't know. That's what he was.
1641
01:16:35.800 --> 01:16:37.780
That's his defy gimmick. Yeah. OK. Yeah.
1642
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:40.520
So like, I'm like, oh, this name sounds familiar.
1643
01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:43.020
I don't really know who he is, but the name sounded familiar.
1644
01:16:43.500 --> 01:16:47.640
But he got his ass beat in a spectacular fashion
1645
01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:50.820
because your job as a jobber is to do the job.
1646
01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:54.060
You're supposed to make the other guy look like a million bucks.
1647
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:57.680
And Joe came back and looked like two million bucks
1648
01:16:57.680 --> 01:16:59.740
because Cody Chun is fucking awesome.
1649
01:17:00.420 --> 01:17:03.540
Yeah. So it's kind of a shout out to a lot of those jobbers.
1650
01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:07.220
You know, a lot of people you just see guys get manhandled.
1651
01:17:07.300 --> 01:17:09.040
And especially if it's like a Steiner's match,
1652
01:17:09.780 --> 01:17:10.960
they're not really wrestling.
1653
01:17:11.120 --> 01:17:12.540
The other guys just throw them around.
1654
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:16.560
But like when they're literally being killed in the way, that's what's happening.
1655
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:19.780
But like, there are plenty of great jobbers out there
1656
01:17:20.280 --> 01:17:21.780
who are great workers.
1657
01:17:22.020 --> 01:17:25.600
They just even like QT Marshall is kind of one of those guys
1658
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.800
where it's like, yeah, I don't want to see QT
1659
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:31.400
Marshall have a 10 minute match, but I want to see him
1660
01:17:31.400 --> 01:17:32.780
job in a five minute match.
1661
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:37.060
And like the matches he had with the the Costco guys.
1662
01:17:37.240 --> 01:17:40.380
Yeah, like that's, you know, you got to be good.
1663
01:17:40.460 --> 01:17:41.180
You got to be good.
1664
01:17:41.580 --> 01:17:44.340
If you're going to make somebody else look good, you have to be fucking good.
1665
01:17:44.340 --> 01:17:45.380
So, yeah.
1666
01:17:46.140 --> 01:17:49.460
And, you know, Barry or the universe calls out Barry Horowitz,
1667
01:17:49.580 --> 01:17:52.840
one of the most famous jobbers there is with a great gimmick.
1668
01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:55.900
Yeah, always pat off on the back because did he win one match?
1669
01:17:55.900 --> 01:17:57.660
And that's why he started doing that or something.
1670
01:17:57.660 --> 01:18:00.340
He no, no, he did it before he won any matches.
1671
01:18:00.440 --> 01:18:03.800
And he he had been a global wrestling
1672
01:18:04.460 --> 01:18:06.660
and he was not a jobber there.
1673
01:18:06.660 --> 01:18:09.080
He was more of like lower mid card guy.
1674
01:18:09.500 --> 01:18:11.260
He occasionally won.
1675
01:18:12.400 --> 01:18:15.540
He goes to WWF and beats Chris Candido.
1676
01:18:15.620 --> 01:18:18.660
He beat Skip and that was the big upset.
1677
01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:21.460
And then they wrestled again at SummerSlam and he beat him again.
1678
01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:23.580
Right. Skip never beat him.
1679
01:18:24.900 --> 01:18:27.900
And then. They kind of pushed him for a minute,
1680
01:18:27.900 --> 01:18:29.800
and then he went back to being a jobber.
1681
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.500
It's like he could have been Mikey Wiprak and they did.
1682
01:18:32.580 --> 01:18:35.740
Oh, easily. I think that he might have been inspired by Mikey Wiprak.
1683
01:18:36.980 --> 01:18:38.540
Larry Line makes a great point.
1684
01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:40.780
Orange Cassidy took a lot from Mikey in hindsight.
1685
01:18:40.780 --> 01:18:42.700
I'm tired. Renee is a Mikey promo.
1686
01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:44.860
Oh, well, it is. It is.
1687
01:18:45.980 --> 01:18:50.260
Yeah, because then he did that whole long thing where he was wrestling
1688
01:18:50.260 --> 01:18:53.020
constantly and like the tape would just more and more tape on his shoulder
1689
01:18:53.020 --> 01:18:54.880
and whatever. Yeah, that's a good point.
1690
01:18:54.940 --> 01:18:57.960
And they were putting makeup on Mikey to where he'd have a shiner
1691
01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:00.980
and he'd have like he just looked like he got ran over by a car.
1692
01:19:01.020 --> 01:19:02.900
You know, I mean, it's just so funny.
1693
01:19:04.300 --> 01:19:04.900
Skewered Universe.
1694
01:19:04.980 --> 01:19:07.140
Do you think Choppa took the self pat on the back from Horowitz?
1695
01:19:07.280 --> 01:19:08.360
I don't know.
1696
01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:09.560
I don't know.
1697
01:19:09.660 --> 01:19:12.880
Oh, he's never says Horowitz is so cool when he got that awesome jacket
1698
01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:14.080
with the hand on it.
1699
01:19:14.120 --> 01:19:15.380
So dope, right?
1700
01:19:15.380 --> 01:19:17.520
That was great. Oh, my God.
1701
01:19:17.580 --> 01:19:18.700
That shit was great.
1702
01:19:20.020 --> 01:19:21.760
That shit was great.
1703
01:19:21.940 --> 01:19:24.160
Oh, my God. God, I love pro wrestling.
1704
01:19:24.540 --> 01:19:25.960
Yeah, wrestling forever, baby.
1705
01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:28.460
That's that's where that shit comes from.
1706
01:19:28.700 --> 01:19:32.060
Yes. Pro wrestling forever is like that's what I say instead of just
1707
01:19:32.060 --> 01:19:32.960
this shit is awesome.
1708
01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:37.020
Like pro wrestling just made this never go away because I love this shit.
1709
01:19:37.700 --> 01:19:38.180
Yeah.
1710
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:40.500
Oh, my God, that's great shit.
1711
01:19:41.220 --> 01:19:44.260
So I said I had another guy on my list who was a former tag team partner,
1712
01:19:44.380 --> 01:19:47.700
Lex Luger, and very much like Lex Luger,
1713
01:19:48.240 --> 01:19:49.620
might have needed to be carried.
1714
01:19:50.620 --> 01:19:54.940
And I kind of blame Brett Hart for the way this man is perceived
1715
01:19:54.940 --> 01:19:58.340
because of a story Brett tells about him.
1716
01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:01.080
Davey Boy Smith.
1717
01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:05.380
I don't think he was ever considered a bad worker,
1718
01:20:05.380 --> 01:20:09.100
but until Brett writes his book
1719
01:20:09.100 --> 01:20:13.940
about their match at SummerSlam 92, which we watched.
1720
01:20:14.100 --> 01:20:16.800
I think that was the first hard way you were ever on, was it not?
1721
01:20:17.040 --> 01:20:17.840
No, I think I came on.
1722
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:23.140
But OK, yeah, I know it was right around that time that you came on.
1723
01:20:23.240 --> 01:20:25.960
Yeah. So we rewatched SummerSlam 92.
1724
01:20:26.400 --> 01:20:28.320
And that match is still.
1725
01:20:28.500 --> 01:20:30.100
Yes. Unbelievable.
1726
01:20:30.300 --> 01:20:33.820
For as much as Brett talks about it, that may.
1727
01:20:34.500 --> 01:20:37.640
So Brett tells a story that Bulldog and Jim Knight
1728
01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:41.880
Hart spent the entire summer smoking crack, like not doing
1729
01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:43.600
what they were supposed to be doing. Right.
1730
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:46.560
Jim Knight Hart was in always in trouble anyway,
1731
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:49.340
always getting fired and rehired and fired and rehired. Right.
1732
01:20:51.320 --> 01:20:55.840
And. That Davey, when it came time that Brett and Davey
1733
01:20:55.840 --> 01:21:00.120
had worked everything out well in advance and that the night of the match,
1734
01:21:00.120 --> 01:21:01.520
Davey said, Brit, I'm food.
1735
01:21:02.100 --> 01:21:03.440
I don't remember the match.
1736
01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:06.280
And Brett, you know, walked him through the entire match.
1737
01:21:06.420 --> 01:21:09.740
And Brett's basically I love Brett, but he's a mark for himself
1738
01:21:09.740 --> 01:21:11.460
in the to the nth degree.
1739
01:21:11.580 --> 01:21:13.900
He basically just says that he had a match alone.
1740
01:21:14.260 --> 01:21:16.880
Yes. I mean, the way he talks about it, you know.
1741
01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:21.500
But when you watch the match, Davey is so fucking athletic.
1742
01:21:22.740 --> 01:21:25.080
You couldn't have just done the match by yourself.
1743
01:21:25.380 --> 01:21:27.740
Davey has to like be extremely athletic.
1744
01:21:28.240 --> 01:21:31.860
And I maintain that I that beware of dog thing
1745
01:21:31.860 --> 01:21:34.980
if they had just gone ahead and put the belt on Davey instead.
1746
01:21:35.340 --> 01:21:38.120
Sean just dropped it to Davey, even if it was for a week.
1747
01:21:38.400 --> 01:21:41.320
The with the world time where of dog paper.
1748
01:21:41.380 --> 01:21:44.440
Yeah, I think Davey could have been a credible world champion
1749
01:21:44.440 --> 01:21:46.120
when he had Jim Cornett with him.
1750
01:21:46.740 --> 01:21:48.340
Like, I don't like Jim Cornett.
1751
01:21:49.540 --> 01:21:52.400
But if Davey had somebody doing the talking for him. Yeah.
1752
01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:54.740
Remember when he went to WCW?
1753
01:21:54.740 --> 01:21:56.100
Remember, he had a match with Vader.
1754
01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:59.800
Yeah, no, I was watching at the time and I was like super into it.
1755
01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:00.960
It was like, oh, shit.
1756
01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:06.200
This guy who is an upper mid carder in WWF has come over and here's his shot.
1757
01:22:06.280 --> 01:22:10.080
Yeah, I was definitely rooting for him to win the world title in WCW.
1758
01:22:10.180 --> 01:22:13.340
But didn't they say they just couldn't trust him?
1759
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:15.540
There was something about trust.
1760
01:22:15.540 --> 01:22:18.280
And I think there was, you know, I mean, it could have been drug issues.
1761
01:22:18.280 --> 01:22:19.740
Well, that might have had something to do with crack.
1762
01:22:21.480 --> 01:22:24.500
I mean, who am I to judge, you know?
1763
01:22:24.580 --> 01:22:26.980
But, you know, who hasn't smoked a little crack every now and then?
1764
01:22:27.180 --> 01:22:30.160
But I've never smoked crack.
1765
01:22:30.160 --> 01:22:36.420
But, um, yeah, I mean, there is a certain point
1766
01:22:36.420 --> 01:22:40.080
Blair brings up when he had the jorts where he could not work at all.
1767
01:22:40.200 --> 01:22:43.620
That's after he broke his back and stuff and was strung out on pain pills.
1768
01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.440
And that's the thing with a lot of these guys.
1769
01:22:47.860 --> 01:22:48.840
Luger, Hogan.
1770
01:22:49.540 --> 01:22:50.760
This is a good example, too.
1771
01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:52.920
And, you know, we've been all these guys we've mentioned.
1772
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:55.880
It's like the longer their career goes.
1773
01:22:56.080 --> 01:22:58.020
It's like, well, yeah, that's when it's justified,
1774
01:22:58.020 --> 01:23:02.720
because most guys, once they hit a certain point, they just get lazy.
1775
01:23:03.400 --> 01:23:06.400
You know, I think Davey's a little bit overlooked
1776
01:23:06.400 --> 01:23:09.600
because he was always surrounded by somebody
1777
01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:12.400
that was more groundbreaking than he was.
1778
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:14.320
Kid is like one of the best of all time.
1779
01:23:14.860 --> 01:23:15.960
He revolutionized.
1780
01:23:15.980 --> 01:23:18.680
He basically him and Tiger Mask created modern rest.
1781
01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:22.640
Sure. Like right there in a ring in 1981.
1782
01:23:22.640 --> 01:23:25.120
They're creating modern wrestling right in front of you.
1783
01:23:25.120 --> 01:23:28.460
And so he's dynamite kids, his tag partner.
1784
01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.060
Dynamite kids way flashier than Davey, right?
1785
01:23:31.380 --> 01:23:34.020
But it's on New Japan World. You can go watch it yourself.
1786
01:23:34.120 --> 01:23:36.720
There's a match. Dynamite Kid versus Davey boy.
1787
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:40.520
OK, from New Japan in the mid 80s.
1788
01:23:41.340 --> 01:23:43.440
Fucking awesome. Fucking awesome.
1789
01:23:44.480 --> 01:23:47.980
And Meltzer and and, you know, Wade Keller and all these people
1790
01:23:47.980 --> 01:23:50.100
are always going on about how much steroids he was on.
1791
01:23:50.180 --> 01:23:50.960
Well, of course he was.
1792
01:23:51.100 --> 01:23:53.720
So was Hogan. So was every other goddamn person.
1793
01:23:53.720 --> 01:23:55.560
Piper was on steroids, too.
1794
01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:57.060
Bret Hart was on steroids, too.
1795
01:23:57.220 --> 01:24:00.700
Even Arne Anderson talks about, like, the guys you didn't think
1796
01:24:00.700 --> 01:24:02.800
were on steroids were taking steroids.
1797
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:05.220
Now, if I find out that Arne was on steroids,
1798
01:24:05.240 --> 01:24:06.260
I'm going to be like, he did it wrong.
1799
01:24:06.460 --> 01:24:07.180
It's just I don't know.
1800
01:24:07.340 --> 01:24:09.560
Well, it's like you still have to work out.
1801
01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:12.580
Yeah, you still have to work out like just take them.
1802
01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:15.260
I just made his belly hairier, I think.
1803
01:24:15.400 --> 01:24:18.500
But like maybe it makes hair fall out of mine.
1804
01:24:20.120 --> 01:24:21.000
Jesus Christ.
1805
01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:24.780
And and and and and just special shout out to Arne Anderson,
1806
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:26.740
because degree, I know you'll agree with me.
1807
01:24:28.020 --> 01:24:31.920
Arne is the other other thing where it's like, yeah, he.
1808
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:35.360
Didn't have the look period, right?
1809
01:24:35.500 --> 01:24:37.420
Not even the territory top guy look.
1810
01:24:37.440 --> 01:24:41.800
No, he looked like a grandfather when he was 22 years old.
1811
01:24:42.020 --> 01:24:44.120
OK. Watch his matches.
1812
01:24:44.300 --> 01:24:46.720
If this show is about the best worst wrestlers,
1813
01:24:47.120 --> 01:24:50.940
Arne is the worst best wrestler because his promos are fucking
1814
01:24:50.940 --> 01:24:53.620
unbelievable. His entering work is untouchable.
1815
01:24:55.220 --> 01:24:58.200
Yeah, untouchable and literally one of my favorite all time.
1816
01:24:58.360 --> 01:25:00.680
Yes. But he just looks like your uncle.
1817
01:25:00.780 --> 01:25:01.620
He's an uncle wrestler.
1818
01:25:02.140 --> 01:25:03.780
He's an uncle, an uncle wrestler.
1819
01:25:05.300 --> 01:25:07.000
So he was in conclusion.
1820
01:25:07.180 --> 01:25:08.660
We're going to read the rest of the chat.
1821
01:25:08.940 --> 01:25:11.300
Do you have any other wrestlers you want to throw in the hat?
1822
01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:13.700
I probably do. Hold on. Let me look at my list.
1823
01:25:16.400 --> 01:25:18.580
Well, OK, so there was one thing I wanted to mention.
1824
01:25:18.700 --> 01:25:21.940
It's not another wrestler, but it is actually about someone
1825
01:25:21.940 --> 01:25:24.160
who is the not on this list.
1826
01:25:24.340 --> 01:25:26.540
And I watched mystery wrestling last weekend.
1827
01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:28.260
OK, we were talking about this before.
1828
01:25:28.480 --> 01:25:30.480
So I just want to tell everybody the story.
1829
01:25:31.400 --> 01:25:34.160
And the main event is London Lightning versus Jonathan Gresham.
1830
01:25:34.360 --> 01:25:35.740
And Gresham is.
1831
01:25:36.700 --> 01:25:40.420
One of those technical guys, he's a technical excellence, the masterpiece.
1832
01:25:41.360 --> 01:25:43.680
And I love that. I love watching that dude wrestle.
1833
01:25:43.700 --> 01:25:44.380
I love that shit.
1834
01:25:44.540 --> 01:25:47.340
And there's a point in the ring in the match where the referee
1835
01:25:47.340 --> 01:25:50.340
gets distracted and Gresham unties his own shoelace.
1836
01:25:51.620 --> 01:25:54.920
And London Lightning goes to lock up and he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
1837
01:25:55.140 --> 01:25:58.440
My shoelace, my shoelace, my shoelace.
1838
01:25:59.300 --> 01:26:02.560
That he that's working, that's working just as much as his work rate.
1839
01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:07.160
And that 100 percent working, you know, we've talked about.
1840
01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:10.060
Oh, I think it was World's End.
1841
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:13.440
Kyle Fletcher is wrestling someone, the bell rings and Fletcher
1842
01:26:13.440 --> 01:26:14.700
immediately rolls out.
1843
01:26:15.400 --> 01:26:18.520
That's not his work rate, but God damn, that's where he's working.
1844
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:21.900
You know, I got the crowd booing his ass immediately. Yes.
1845
01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:25.500
So that's where I think I kind of make that distinction.
1846
01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:26.340
And I don't know.
1847
01:26:26.400 --> 01:26:28.380
That's all doesn't have anything to do with anything else.
1848
01:26:29.140 --> 01:26:30.200
Just no, I hear you.
1849
01:26:30.220 --> 01:26:33.720
Another example of that, the magic of wrestling.
1850
01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:37.220
And so, yeah, that's pretty much my whole list, I think.
1851
01:26:38.320 --> 01:26:42.160
Billy says before Barry Horowitz, he wrestled as Jack Hart in Florida
1852
01:26:42.160 --> 01:26:43.120
and was not a jobber.
1853
01:26:43.140 --> 01:26:45.100
He might have won the Florida heavyweight title at one point.
1854
01:26:45.300 --> 01:26:46.520
I think you're correct.
1855
01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:47.760
I think I've heard that heavyweight.
1856
01:26:47.820 --> 01:26:48.760
He's so little.
1857
01:26:49.360 --> 01:26:50.840
I know he is a little dude.
1858
01:26:50.860 --> 01:26:52.260
He's a little dude.
1859
01:26:52.980 --> 01:26:54.060
Um, security universe.
1860
01:26:54.320 --> 01:26:56.400
They legit got me behind Barry Horowitz as a kid.
1861
01:26:56.440 --> 01:26:59.520
I mean, yeah, it was like the Red Rooster that actually worked.
1862
01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:02.000
You know, like that was successful.
1863
01:27:02.180 --> 01:27:04.300
Like, like, OK, well, we didn't work with Taylor.
1864
01:27:04.300 --> 01:27:05.540
Let's try it with this other guy.
1865
01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:09.020
You know, when Bruce Prichard is like, well, if Terry had just embraced
1866
01:27:09.020 --> 01:27:11.520
the gimmick, it's like, no, no, dude, that was it was.
1867
01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:12.700
That was terrible gimmick.
1868
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:13.340
That was stupid.
1869
01:27:13.340 --> 01:27:17.200
You literally made him behave as though he was a human rooster.
1870
01:27:17.320 --> 01:27:20.900
Yeah, that like that's that's no way you're going to embrace that gimmick.
1871
01:27:22.040 --> 01:27:22.940
No blurry line.
1872
01:27:23.140 --> 01:27:24.060
I need to mention Santino.
1873
01:27:24.160 --> 01:27:26.300
There is absolutely no reason for him to have had the length
1874
01:27:26.300 --> 01:27:29.120
of career he had other than him managing out stupid
1875
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:34.100
other than him managing out stupid booking and making it funny.
1876
01:27:34.380 --> 01:27:35.200
Totally. Yeah.
1877
01:27:35.220 --> 01:27:38.500
Like, I think Santino is one of the better comedy wrestlers ever.
1878
01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:41.860
Yeah, he's still around the stupid Cobra.
1879
01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:42.980
Yeah, he's still around.
1880
01:27:42.980 --> 01:27:44.820
He's not good anymore, though.
1881
01:27:45.120 --> 01:27:49.540
Well, didn't somebody like who is the Cobra at some point?
1882
01:27:49.660 --> 01:27:50.260
And it was, yeah.
1883
01:27:50.360 --> 01:27:52.280
Oh, no, they did all kinds of shit like that.
1884
01:27:52.280 --> 01:27:53.940
And I thought that shit was great.
1885
01:27:53.980 --> 01:27:54.940
Yeah, he was funny.
1886
01:27:55.580 --> 01:27:59.640
And it's so funny because people who loved that stuff
1887
01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:01.340
hate some of them.
1888
01:28:01.620 --> 01:28:03.120
They're like Orange Cassidy's dumb.
1889
01:28:03.340 --> 01:28:04.340
It's like, no, he's not.
1890
01:28:04.540 --> 01:28:08.480
No, Orange Cassidy fully the hardest core wrestler there ever was.
1891
01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:09.360
Fucking had Mr.
1892
01:28:09.540 --> 01:28:11.680
Socko like fucking chill out.
1893
01:28:11.680 --> 01:28:15.820
We can do a whole two hour episode about how amazing Orange Cassidy is.
1894
01:28:15.860 --> 01:28:16.940
But that's another story.
1895
01:28:17.380 --> 01:28:18.100
Yeah, we could.
1896
01:28:18.400 --> 01:28:21.520
And I do want to encourage you all, if you're listening to this
1897
01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:25.620
on Wednesday when it comes out on audio in audio form,
1898
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:30.380
make sure you subscribe to our podcast on Spotify or Apple podcast
1899
01:28:30.380 --> 01:28:32.480
or YouTube or wherever it is.
1900
01:28:32.520 --> 01:28:36.180
You listen to podcasts, but also tell your friends.
1901
01:28:36.240 --> 01:28:39.960
And if you have ideas for a theme, send them to us.
1902
01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:42.840
It's pro. It's just like our social media handles pro wrestling,
1903
01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:45.220
forever pod at Gmail dot com.
1904
01:28:45.740 --> 01:28:48.000
I want to hear I want to hear from you guys, because
1905
01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:52.180
this chat illuminates exactly why I love doing this,
1906
01:28:52.320 --> 01:28:55.720
because you guys collaborate with us and make this so much more fun
1907
01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:57.280
than it would be if it was just the two of us,
1908
01:28:57.280 --> 01:28:58.240
because I don't even like to agree.
1909
01:28:58.340 --> 01:28:59.840
No, I can't fucking stand you.
1910
01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:02.840
And I hate every single word that comes out of your mouth.
1911
01:29:04.100 --> 01:29:05.920
But that's what I was talking about at the beginning,
1912
01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:08.060
like when I said we want to have this be a conversation,
1913
01:29:08.060 --> 01:29:09.200
we want it to be a community.
1914
01:29:09.200 --> 01:29:12.300
Like this is what makes this so much fun.
1915
01:29:12.700 --> 01:29:16.680
We can sit and just I mean, we all just sit and have conversations by ourselves.
1916
01:29:16.680 --> 01:29:18.540
I love to hear myself talk.
1917
01:29:18.700 --> 01:29:22.020
But I want I want I want you guys to throw some ideas at me.
1918
01:29:22.060 --> 01:29:23.460
You know, yeah.
1919
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:26.060
Security Universe says Dave, Davey Boy Smith,
1920
01:29:26.060 --> 01:29:28.820
if he didn't get into all the other shit could have been the world champion.
1921
01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:30.160
He had the look in the athleticism.
1922
01:29:30.180 --> 01:29:32.360
I agree. I think if he had avoided,
1923
01:29:32.860 --> 01:29:36.860
I mean, for one, Dynamite Kid was his cousin and bullied the shit out of him
1924
01:29:37.360 --> 01:29:39.420
and got him into all kinds of shit.
1925
01:29:39.500 --> 01:29:41.840
And I mean, the Hart family helped, you know.
1926
01:29:41.980 --> 01:29:44.260
Yeah. And then, yeah.
1927
01:29:44.460 --> 01:29:46.500
Jim Neidhart wasn't a good influence on him.
1928
01:29:47.240 --> 01:29:50.020
He was he was a pretty easily led guy.
1929
01:29:50.900 --> 01:29:54.540
And when he was kind of following a guy like Brad around, he did it better.
1930
01:29:54.820 --> 01:29:56.260
You know, he was a little better.
1931
01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:00.400
Benny the Bear, Davey, for his size, was an incredible techer.
1932
01:30:00.480 --> 01:30:01.960
His matches in AJPW.
1933
01:30:02.080 --> 01:30:04.180
Oh, boy. Totally, totally.
1934
01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:06.800
They had a run in AJPW in the 80s.
1935
01:30:06.860 --> 01:30:12.420
And then in the late 80s, it's fucking sad because they leave WWF.
1936
01:30:13.340 --> 01:30:14.680
Dynamite cannot wrestle.
1937
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:17.820
He's lost, like most of his muscle mass and his front teeth
1938
01:30:17.820 --> 01:30:21.680
from being hit in the face by Jacques Rougeau in the in the locker room
1939
01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:24.980
with quarters, and he doesn't replace his teeth.
1940
01:30:24.980 --> 01:30:26.500
He just looks like shit.
1941
01:30:27.120 --> 01:30:29.180
It's so bad.
1942
01:30:29.740 --> 01:30:31.100
Skewered, Skewered Universe.
1943
01:30:31.360 --> 01:30:33.240
Arne was just born as a middle aged dad wrestler.
1944
01:30:33.420 --> 01:30:35.740
I believe maybe that way.
1945
01:30:35.740 --> 01:30:41.160
Yeah, Uncle Aron Benjamin Button that never buttoned, never went backwards.
1946
01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:45.440
He just started middle age and kept going. Yeah.
1947
01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:48.020
Don't forget about Arne's acorn.
1948
01:30:48.020 --> 01:30:51.220
Who could you want to tell the people about Arne's acorn real quick?
1949
01:30:51.460 --> 01:30:53.460
I mean, that's I do.
1950
01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:55.220
I really need to explain ours acorn.
1951
01:30:55.240 --> 01:30:56.420
So we're kids.
1952
01:30:57.400 --> 01:31:01.280
And Arne Anderson wore a lot of baby blue, a lot of white
1953
01:31:01.280 --> 01:31:05.640
and yellow could see you could see Arne's dick pretty much.
1954
01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:07.260
That's pretty much what it goes down to.
1955
01:31:07.680 --> 01:31:12.100
And if you've been in the chat here, Billy Lalone keeps throwing out comments.
1956
01:31:12.740 --> 01:31:15.860
Billy's actually the man that coined the phrase, the acorn.
1957
01:31:15.940 --> 01:31:17.220
It comes from him.
1958
01:31:17.240 --> 01:31:18.340
So you can blame him.
1959
01:31:18.340 --> 01:31:21.820
And I have simply carried it on through countless decades.
1960
01:31:21.820 --> 01:31:26.780
And now to the to the ability to you.
1961
01:31:26.780 --> 01:31:28.880
Thank you for giving us Arne's Acorn Bill Kingpin.
1962
01:31:29.040 --> 01:31:29.680
Thank you.
1963
01:31:30.360 --> 01:31:33.560
And if that's my fucking wrestling superstars book, I want it back.
1964
01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:37.080
Blair line, aren't it?
1965
01:31:37.080 --> 01:31:39.680
Twenty six looks like he's worked for 35 years at Home Depot.
1966
01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:40.860
So true. Yeah.
1967
01:31:42.040 --> 01:31:44.360
Blair line, I don't know what category low key fits into,
1968
01:31:44.480 --> 01:31:46.880
but he's either on the best, worst, lesser, the worst, best list.
1969
01:31:47.120 --> 01:31:48.920
Worst, best, I would say he's a great worker.
1970
01:31:49.020 --> 01:31:49.700
Yeah, that's weird.
1971
01:31:49.940 --> 01:31:52.820
Low key came up when I was coming up with ideas.
1972
01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:54.500
That's like a name that came up.
1973
01:31:54.540 --> 01:31:57.080
He can't get out of his own fucking way.
1974
01:31:57.080 --> 01:32:01.420
And he legit was a total mark and believed he was his character.
1975
01:32:01.480 --> 01:32:04.860
But there was a point like when I first found out who low key was,
1976
01:32:04.860 --> 01:32:06.460
I thought he was cool as shit, dude.
1977
01:32:06.540 --> 01:32:08.000
I mean, oh, everybody did.
1978
01:32:08.020 --> 01:32:09.140
He was a huge indie guy.
1979
01:32:09.160 --> 01:32:10.620
He was the first R.O.H. champion.
1980
01:32:10.620 --> 01:32:13.740
I mean, he had the most organic juice of like
1981
01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:18.120
Samoa, Joe Danielson and
1982
01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:20.600
Stiles when the promotion first.
1983
01:32:20.620 --> 01:32:25.480
Yeah, he moved like a cat and he would crouch and like, you know, like
1984
01:32:25.480 --> 01:32:27.300
stiff the shit out of people.
1985
01:32:27.580 --> 01:32:30.160
Do you I actually do have somebody else on the list,
1986
01:32:30.160 --> 01:32:32.360
and I think it's somebody you have on your list, too,
1987
01:32:32.360 --> 01:32:35.200
unless you have something else you want to throw out?
1988
01:32:35.460 --> 01:32:38.940
Just yeti Malone throughout Brock, the oak tree, Anderson.
1989
01:32:39.340 --> 01:32:42.460
Yes. Basically a stiff who can't fucking move.
1990
01:32:42.480 --> 01:32:43.280
Yeah, agreed.
1991
01:32:44.400 --> 01:32:45.520
Fucking honky tonk man.
1992
01:32:46.280 --> 01:32:47.880
Oh, shit. He was on the fucking cover.
1993
01:32:48.020 --> 01:32:49.780
We never even. Oh, we.
1994
01:32:50.120 --> 01:32:55.500
My God, the guys on the cover didn't even make the fucking list.
1995
01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:58.300
Did. Yeah. Honky tonk man.
1996
01:32:58.320 --> 01:32:59.640
So let's talk about that for a minute.
1997
01:32:59.880 --> 01:33:01.500
So could this guy work?
1998
01:33:01.500 --> 01:33:03.260
Debatable. Could this guy?
1999
01:33:03.500 --> 01:33:06.160
I've never seen it. I couldn't tell you, you know.
2000
01:33:06.220 --> 01:33:09.100
Now, I've seen him as Wayne Farris when he was in Memphis.
2001
01:33:09.660 --> 01:33:11.720
His hair is like bleach blonde. Right.
2002
01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:13.820
I've seen him in also in Stampede.
2003
01:33:15.260 --> 01:33:18.380
He's got like a goatee and blonde hair.
2004
01:33:18.580 --> 01:33:20.820
Yeah. And he's all right.
2005
01:33:20.900 --> 01:33:23.100
Like, he's just a punch kick guy. Right.
2006
01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:27.480
But as the honky tonk man, I cannot believe they tried to debut him
2007
01:33:27.480 --> 01:33:29.060
as a baby. That's insane.
2008
01:33:29.060 --> 01:33:31.380
One. He was Hulk Hogan.
2009
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:33.980
It was like supposed to be his buddy.
2010
01:33:34.100 --> 01:33:36.280
How could that ever be a baby face gimmick?
2011
01:33:36.420 --> 01:33:37.660
It's I have no idea.
2012
01:33:38.360 --> 01:33:41.500
But to make somebody an Elvis impersonator
2013
01:33:41.500 --> 01:33:43.420
as a wrestling gimmick was genius.
2014
01:33:44.060 --> 01:33:44.940
I got to give him that.
2015
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:47.260
And Farris did that himself. Really?
2016
01:33:47.320 --> 01:33:49.560
He came up with the name himself, too. Really?
2017
01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:52.340
I think his name on the Indies for a minute was honky tonk
2018
01:33:52.340 --> 01:33:53.460
Farris or something like that.
2019
01:33:53.460 --> 01:33:55.340
And then that's made him a honky tonk man.
2020
01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:58.660
It's actually. But you could send that guy.
2021
01:33:58.660 --> 01:34:00.780
And I would say the same about Max Caster,
2022
01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:03.100
although I think he's a much better wrestler than a honky tonk man.
2023
01:34:03.780 --> 01:34:06.660
You could say the same about Max Caster's open challenge
2024
01:34:06.660 --> 01:34:10.800
when he was doing that was you you didn't even need him to wrestle.
2025
01:34:11.060 --> 01:34:12.700
You could just send him out there.
2026
01:34:13.120 --> 01:34:15.560
And for eight minutes or so,
2027
01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:17.920
the honky tonk man was going to be entertaining as hell.
2028
01:34:18.100 --> 01:34:20.900
And somebody was going to come out and put him in his place or not.
2029
01:34:21.320 --> 01:34:24.320
And he was either going to get put in his place and get a big pop
2030
01:34:24.320 --> 01:34:28.780
or he was going to do pull some dastardly shit
2031
01:34:28.780 --> 01:34:30.480
and break a guitar over somebody's head.
2032
01:34:31.100 --> 01:34:33.640
Either way, the crowd's leaving a super entertained.
2033
01:34:34.420 --> 01:34:35.960
He had so much value.
2034
01:34:36.140 --> 01:34:41.000
And the fact that he was a bad wrestler actually made his gimmick better
2035
01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:43.780
because he was the longest reigning intercontinental champion.
2036
01:34:44.360 --> 01:34:47.440
He had a longer reign than the macho man who was a much better wrestler.
2037
01:34:47.480 --> 01:34:50.100
Yeah, or steamboat steamboat.
2038
01:34:50.300 --> 01:34:52.320
We only had like a two month reign. Right.
2039
01:34:52.320 --> 01:34:54.140
It's like it's funny.
2040
01:34:54.140 --> 01:34:57.480
It's like that's such a like clear cut,
2041
01:34:57.940 --> 01:35:02.540
I guess, testament or explanation to like how these old gimmicks
2042
01:35:02.540 --> 01:35:04.320
that we hated so much.
2043
01:35:04.780 --> 01:35:07.400
The Red Rooster is a great example, you know, or honky
2044
01:35:07.400 --> 01:35:08.880
tonk man, whatever, how much it's influenced,
2045
01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:11.960
because when you talk about Max Caster and yeah, Max
2046
01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:13.340
Caster is a way better wrestler.
2047
01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:16.120
But when the acclaimed split,
2048
01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:21.240
people fucking hated Max Caster and it felt like a legit heat.
2049
01:35:21.240 --> 01:35:24.640
Like, I don't know what he was doing on social media or what.
2050
01:35:25.060 --> 01:35:28.600
But people just wanted Max Caster to go away, go away, go away.
2051
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:31.080
And within a couple of weeks of him doing that gimmick,
2052
01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:33.120
he was the one that was over.
2053
01:35:33.500 --> 01:35:35.800
And Bowens, nobody was one struggling.
2054
01:35:35.900 --> 01:35:36.340
Yeah.
2055
01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:40.040
Bowen's back with Castor to get Castor to rub off on Bowen.
2056
01:35:40.240 --> 01:35:41.560
Yeah. Yeah.
2057
01:35:41.580 --> 01:35:43.780
I mean, that was quite the turnaround. Yeah.
2058
01:35:43.780 --> 01:35:44.440
Quite the turnaround.
2059
01:35:44.460 --> 01:35:47.300
And now I don't know what's going on, but.
2060
01:35:48.240 --> 01:35:49.940
Yeah, I don't know what's I think.
2061
01:35:50.420 --> 01:35:52.160
I don't know if Max got himself in trouble.
2062
01:35:52.220 --> 01:35:53.340
I don't think he's working with the company.
2063
01:35:53.340 --> 01:35:54.220
Yeah, I don't know.
2064
01:35:54.660 --> 01:35:58.200
But yeah, I think he's working other places right now.
2065
01:35:58.280 --> 01:35:59.420
I don't know.
2066
01:36:01.700 --> 01:36:04.800
Blurry line, I don't think I've ever seen honky ever legitimately smile.
2067
01:36:04.900 --> 01:36:06.000
Certainly not in a worked.
2068
01:36:06.620 --> 01:36:07.840
I saw an interview with Honky
2069
01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:12.780
Tonk man talking about how nobody in the business has ever even just said,
2070
01:36:13.100 --> 01:36:16.660
hey, honky, thank you for everything you did.
2071
01:36:16.660 --> 01:36:19.260
And then he used the example
2072
01:36:19.260 --> 01:36:21.960
of giving him a McDonald's gift certificate as a nice thing
2073
01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:23.100
they could have done for him.
2074
01:36:23.420 --> 01:36:24.680
And I was like.
2075
01:36:26.020 --> 01:36:26.400
What?
2076
01:36:27.660 --> 01:36:32.760
Just some sort of gesture, basically, you made hundreds of thousands of dollars
2077
01:36:33.300 --> 01:36:36.980
and you want fans or young wrestlers
2078
01:36:36.980 --> 01:36:39.860
to give you McDonald's gift certificates, what's wrong with you?
2079
01:36:40.120 --> 01:36:41.220
They could have done.
2080
01:36:42.500 --> 01:36:44.240
Skewered says, seeing honky tonk as a kid,
2081
01:36:44.260 --> 01:36:46.640
I always thought he was an older dude that was just an Elvis in person
2082
01:36:46.640 --> 01:36:51.380
that could kind of wrestle in kind of the shake, rattle and roll was over.
2083
01:36:51.380 --> 01:36:55.560
You know, I mean, because Rick Rude had the, you know, he had the rude awakening
2084
01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:58.560
and he made a neck breaker look destructive.
2085
01:36:58.560 --> 01:36:59.600
Yeah. You know what I mean?
2086
01:37:00.080 --> 01:37:01.420
Honky dogs didn't look like shit.
2087
01:37:01.420 --> 01:37:06.380
I mean, and it took Rick Rude forever to set that move up like.
2088
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:10.780
Well, it's just he would usually try to do it about 14 times
2089
01:37:10.780 --> 01:37:13.200
before he actually hit it because it was so slow.
2090
01:37:15.400 --> 01:37:17.280
And then we're just tag team
2091
01:37:17.280 --> 01:37:19.260
rhythm and honky tonk and Greg Valentine.
2092
01:37:19.640 --> 01:37:21.640
I have I have they're in my wrestling room.
2093
01:37:21.860 --> 01:37:25.080
My action figures is like the actual men are in your room.
2094
01:37:25.320 --> 01:37:26.240
Yes. Yes.
2095
01:37:26.300 --> 01:37:27.680
Most of them are still alive.
2096
01:37:27.940 --> 01:37:30.020
I just pay them to stand there.
2097
01:37:30.780 --> 01:37:31.440
All right.
2098
01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:33.920
I met Valentine once at a comic con.
2099
01:37:34.240 --> 01:37:34.540
Really?
2100
01:37:35.040 --> 01:37:39.220
Dude, one of his fingers is like two of your fingers put together.
2101
01:37:39.500 --> 01:37:39.980
Wow.
2102
01:37:40.380 --> 01:37:41.300
It's really nice.
2103
01:37:41.300 --> 01:37:43.280
And he was telling me the story about how somebody had a picture.
2104
01:37:43.360 --> 01:37:45.460
He's like, this guy just came up to me and gave me it.
2105
01:37:45.520 --> 01:37:48.340
It was a photograph that someone had taken of his dad.
2106
01:37:49.160 --> 01:37:50.360
Johnny Valentine, I guess.
2107
01:37:50.380 --> 01:37:52.140
Well, way back in the day.
2108
01:37:52.700 --> 01:37:55.420
Oh, it's just really nice that he just told me that story
2109
01:37:55.420 --> 01:37:58.720
and we kind of had a moment together and that was it.
2110
01:37:58.820 --> 01:37:59.720
Fucking fingers.
2111
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:02.700
Terry Funk autobiography I'm reading.
2112
01:38:02.700 --> 01:38:05.280
Terry tells a story about Greg and he's like.
2113
01:38:06.200 --> 01:38:09.480
You know that he's Johnny Valentine's son and Terry loved Johnny Valentine,
2114
01:38:09.480 --> 01:38:12.020
you know, thought he was one of the greatest ever.
2115
01:38:13.240 --> 01:38:17.280
And that Greg was a hard guy to understand and kind of a dick.
2116
01:38:17.380 --> 01:38:18.600
But they were friends.
2117
01:38:19.220 --> 01:38:21.580
But when they ran Amarillo still.
2118
01:38:22.540 --> 01:38:27.220
Greg gets a five thousand dollar check from Dory Senior.
2119
01:38:27.360 --> 01:38:31.520
OK. And Greg looks at it and he's like, what the fuck is this?
2120
01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:34.280
And he rips it up right in front of everybody and walks away.
2121
01:38:35.260 --> 01:38:37.220
Because he's mad, because he thinks he's been stiffed.
2122
01:38:37.220 --> 01:38:41.660
Terry's like, that was legitimately more money than I got by my own father.
2123
01:38:43.100 --> 01:38:44.840
And about five minutes later,
2124
01:38:45.040 --> 01:38:47.740
Greg comes back and picks up all the pieces of paper and walks away
2125
01:38:48.540 --> 01:38:51.360
because he's going to take the check back together.
2126
01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:53.880
That's awesome.
2127
01:38:54.440 --> 01:38:55.600
That's pretty funny.
2128
01:38:58.520 --> 01:38:59.700
Blair Elias says, I think my favorite
2129
01:38:59.700 --> 01:39:02.020
hammer story is Bailey going to a wrestling convention as a kid,
2130
01:39:02.040 --> 01:39:04.880
asking for a picture and him just asking the security
2131
01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:07.000
if she'd paid like multiple times before.
2132
01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:10.540
That's got to get that bag, brother.
2133
01:39:10.620 --> 01:39:13.100
Got to get to the pay window. Oh, that's great.
2134
01:39:14.080 --> 01:39:15.260
Guys, we go on and on.
2135
01:39:15.300 --> 01:39:19.660
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2136
01:39:19.980 --> 01:39:23.460
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2137
01:39:23.800 --> 01:39:27.900
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2138
01:39:27.900 --> 01:39:31.220
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2139
01:39:31.320 --> 01:39:34.180
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2140
01:39:34.180 --> 01:39:37.760
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2141
01:39:38.300 --> 01:39:40.420
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2142
01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:44.520
And then tell your friends, send us suggestions
2143
01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:47.720
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2144
01:39:48.120 --> 01:39:50.420
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2145
01:39:50.980 --> 01:39:53.720
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2146
01:39:53.980 --> 01:39:56.380
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2147
01:39:57.060 --> 01:40:00.800
We want to, you know, just bring in the vibe that we're bringing,
2148
01:40:01.040 --> 01:40:03.100
you know, which I think is a different kind of vibe.
2149
01:40:03.600 --> 01:40:05.200
Wrestling is meant to be fun, guys.
2150
01:40:05.340 --> 01:40:07.420
At the end of the day, the shit isn't that serious.
2151
01:40:07.660 --> 01:40:10.940
No, you know, we have a president who is literally using
2152
01:40:10.940 --> 01:40:14.140
an attempted assassination as an excuse to build a ballroom.
2153
01:40:15.440 --> 01:40:16.820
Life is weird right now.
2154
01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:20.600
When he's trying to start a war or a nuclear war, excuse me.
2155
01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:22.980
We're threatening to literally commit genocide.
2156
01:40:23.080 --> 01:40:26.120
Yeah. OK, so let's have some fun together, right?
2157
01:40:26.400 --> 01:40:30.680
We don't need we don't need to argue about wrist locks and wristwatches.
2158
01:40:30.780 --> 01:40:32.820
Let's have fun. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
2159
01:40:34.020 --> 01:40:35.520
But degree, I had a blast.
2160
01:40:35.580 --> 01:40:36.680
This has been a great news.
2161
01:40:36.820 --> 01:40:38.220
I always have a good time every week.
2162
01:40:38.900 --> 01:40:41.420
And I plan on having a good time every week.
2163
01:40:43.680 --> 01:40:46.860
Forever pro wrestling forever.